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[unipanther99]

Turgeon happy for WSU: "It’s been a good 13 years for Shocker basketball.”

http://thegazette.com/2013/04/02/maryla ... ita-state/

His quotes about WSU are at the bottom of the article.

[rlh04d]

Turgeon happy for WSU: "It’s been a good 13 years for Shocker basketball.”

http://thegazette.com/2013/04/02/maryla ... ita-state/

His quotes about WSU are at the bottom of the article.

Far cooler, Matt Braeuer (the legendary PG from our Sweet 16 run in 2006) came by ShockerNet the other day to personally congratulate WSU fans. He'll be in Atlanta for the Final Four. (Ron Baker reminds me a lot of him, ... I'm praying that Baker's way of throwing his all into every ball doesn't end up with the concussion problems that sidelined Matt at the end of his career.)

As much as I like Turgeon, I think it is utterly hilarious that he's coaching in the NIT while WSU is in the Final Four, considering he clearly felt he was above the "level" we play at here in the Valley. I hope you win the NIT, Turgeon ... but even if you do, you're still just following in WSU's footsteps from two years ago.

[Deanthonybowdenfan]

Lol i feel ya bud. Sweet victory. Marshall is one of the few coaches that is maybe better than Turgeon.

[rlh04d]

Lol i feel ya bud. Sweet victory. Marshall is one of the few coaches that is maybe better than Turgeon.

Turgeon's a good coach, but I think Marshall is one of the fifteen best in the country. I love this new generation of coaches (Marshall, Smart, and Stevens) that are immensely talented but are staying loyal to their schools and being paid accordingly.

For anyone worried about Marshall leaving WSU ... his contract for this year has exceeded $1.9 million for this year with tournament bonuses. I think he might get a raise to around $2 million base salary after this season. That's hardly comparable to the elite guys like Coach K, Izzo, and Calipari, but he's easily the best paid of the three young coaches. I think all three of the young coaches are holding off for elite level jobs that don't require re-building jobs.

[Deanthonybowdenfan]

Maybe, or may be a few guys like Marshall and Stevens, maybe they will stay there forever. I could see one way to look at it where there would be more reward to a coach/competitor to bring a less historically successful program to greatness, rather than a historically great program like Kentucky/UNC/UCLA to a place they have consistently been before. 1.9 mill is WAY higher than even the good mid-majors typically pay their coaches. I know Creighton doesn't pay McDermott anywhere near 1.9 mill, I believe it is just over 1 million. I wouldn't be too surprised if there are ANY jobs Marshall would leave for, or Brad Stevens. Probably are a select few, but it's not crazy talk to think it's possible he wouldn't leave for anywhere at this point (unless of course something unfortunate happens to the program, i.e. if the Valley falls apart and WSU can't find a decent league to join.

[rlh04d]

Maybe, or may be a few guys like Marshall and Stevens, maybe they will stay there forever. I could see one way to look at it where there would be more reward to a coach/competitor to bring a less historically successful program to greatness, rather than a historically great program like Kentucky/UNC/UCLA to a place they have consistently been before. 1.9 mill is WAY higher than even the good mid-majors typically pay their coaches. I know Creighton doesn't pay McDermott anywhere near 1.9 mill, I believe it is just over 1 million. I wouldn't be too surprised if there are ANY jobs Marshall would leave for, or Brad Stevens. Probably are a select few, but it's not crazy talk to think it's possible he wouldn't leave for anywhere at this point (unless of course something unfortunate happens to the program, i.e. if the Valley falls apart and WSU can't find a decent league to join.

Unfortunately, I think Marshall might entertain leaving if it seems like the Valley is going to become a one-bid conference and we can't make the tournament without winning the conference tournament. That's something that was an issue with his time at Winthrop.

Obviously, though, WSU isn't on the same level as Winthrop, and this Final Four run has pretty much guaranteed we're going to get a bigger benefit of the doubt when it comes to at-large bids in the future.

I think Marshall would entertain the idea of returning to the southeast. As such, I could see him dreaming about lucking into a great deal at Duke, UNC, or Florida one day. However, I don't think UNC or Duke will go out of their family to replace the legends when they retire.

Marshall's salary is excellent for a program outside of a Power 6 conference, though (and many programs in Power 6 conferences as well), and I think is the best thing we have going for us in maintaining a level of success in the future. There aren't a ton of jobs out there that are even going to out-bid WSU for him, let alone the low cost of living in Kansas, or the fact that he would have to leave a winning program for a rebuilding job. I believe he made $1.6 million this year, which automatically rolls over and increases by $100k a year, so he'll be making $1.7 million next season even if it isn't renegotiated (which I can't imagine it isn't after a Final Four run). Obviously the $370k or so he made in tournament bonuses won't be repeated every year, but I could see him making $2 million base salary next year.

[iSASO]

I've heard from a CPA that boosters have already put together a $500,000 pay increase package for Marshall.

Not bad for a guy whose team was picked to finish 4th in the conference and was tagged in Year 1 as "in over his head in this conference".

[CBB_Fan]

I think there is a big difference between the MVC and the Southern Conference, even if both would be one-bid conferences. After this year, Wichita State will get priority entry into the tournament and will have national appeal regardless of conference.

Basically, Marshall's problem at Winthrop was that he HAD to win the tournament to make the big dance. At Wichita State, he doesn't have to worry about that. If the rest of the conference is weak enough to hurt his at-large chances, he may leave, but until then I think he is fine staying.

The biggest thing the conference can do is schedule better. If every team pushed themselves like UNI did this year, the conference RPI would go up even if the teams didn't actually get any better. Basically the MWC formula.

Another to consider is that Wichita State has options now. If wanted to jump to the A10, they could do so whenever they want. If Marshall said "Go to a conference where I can get an at-large, or I leave," Wichita State would probably be willing to move. The A10 isn't a big step up from the MVC, but I think it would give a team a better shot an at-large bid. And of course, that isn't even taking into consideration the possible of jumping to the MWC, America-12 Conference, or Catholic Big East.

[Deanthonybowdenfan]

1.9 mill is WAY higher than even the good mid-majors typically pay their coaches. I know Creighton doesn't pay McDermott anywhere near 1.9 mill, I believe it is just over 1 million.

I was wrong, McDermott's base salary is actually higher than Gregg Marshall's.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/salaries/ncaab/coach/

[rlh04d]

1.9 mill is WAY higher than even the good mid-majors typically pay their coaches. I know Creighton doesn't pay McDermott anywhere near 1.9 mill, I believe it is just over 1 million.

I was wrong, McDermott's base salary is actually higher than Gregg Marshall's.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/salaries/ncaab/coach/

That data is incorrect. I'm not sure what it is about Marshall's contract that is so confusing, but it is rarely reported accurately.

It's listed as $1.45 million here: http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articl ... l-coaches/

I believe that was before this last season, where he receives an automatic $100k a year raise. So that would put his contract at $1.55 million, plus the $380k he's earned in postseason bonuses. And he's about to get a significant pay raise from that.