Early Valley Predictions

[rlh04d]

That formula is based on wins of opponents not quality. Gonzaga had 32 wins and only played 3 actual games and almost lost to a 16 seed in the first round. Pitt is the choking master of the NCAAs. La Salle got a good draw. Ohio State shot horribly in that game and would beat Wichita 9 out of 10 times.

You clearly have no idea how Pomeroy's statistics are calculated.

Which is by no means surprising.

[rlh04d]

1 good season. Who are we talking about here? Drake? Indiana State? Wichita State? I know it isnt UNI, because UNI has been good for a decade. You might not have even been a senior citizen yet the last time UNI finished in the bottom half of the league.

It's cute how you just haphazardly toss WSU into the same category as Drake and Indiana State.

For the record, WSU has 111 wins in the last four years. UNI has 114 wins in the last FIVE years. And that has nothing to do with this last season -- UNI also had a 30 win season in that stretch. It was the three non-Final Four years that gave us almost as many wins as UNI had in the other four years. And you want to talk about being good for more than one year? Fine, I'll play:

What time frame do you want to compare here? WSU has more wins in the last five years (128-to-114). More in the last ten years (225-to-215). More in the last fifteen years (292-270). More since UNI joined the MVC, which of course includes the worst stretch in WSU history (370-356). More since UNI joined D1 (I'm not counting back that far, but it's not even close). Are we comparing NCAA wins? WSU has a 6-3 NCAA record in the last decade versus UNI's 2-5, and it only gets more dramatic from there. NIT? 7-2 for WSU versus 0-1 for UNI in the last decade. Regular season championships? We're tied, 2-2 in the last decade. Conference tournament championships? Finally a category UNI wins, 3-0 in the last decade.

But we've had one good season? Which of these do you think was the bigger statistical aberration: our Final Four run or your Sweet 16 run? We had 29 wins and an NIT Championship two years ago, one other Final Four, four runs to at least the Elite 8, five runs to at least the Sweet 16 -- UNI hasn't had another season with more than 23 wins since the 50's in DII and only has one other NCAA win in program history. Who had the one good season?

This is a comparison you aren't going to win. You should stop.

[shoxrox]

I'm really tired of this. Wichita State had the easiest run for any Valley team the Final 4. They played Pitt who they caught on a bad day, Gonzaga who was at best a 4 seed in my opinion, LaSalle who was a cinderella, Ohio State who they caught on a horrible shooting day, and got beat by Louisville. SIU in their 2007 Sweet Sixteen run had to go against Holy Cross who was considered the top 13 seed in the tourney, Virginia Tech who sweep Duke and Carolina that year, and would have beaten a Kansas team with 7 future lottery picks if it weren't for a few bad calls.

That formula is based on wins of opponents not quality. Gonzaga had 32 wins and only played 3 actual games and almost lost to a 16 seed in the first round. Pitt is the choking master of the NCAAs. La Salle got a good draw. Ohio State shot horribly in that game and would beat Wichita 9 out of 10 times.

And with these two posts, this thread has gone to full-retard mode.

[Aargh]

UNI's NCAA tourney wins in their entire history in D1 basketball: 3

WSU's NCAA tourney wins in 2013: 4

With SIU fans jumping into this discussion, SIU's legacy is a proud decade followed by Chris Lowery and looking up at mediocrity. SIU's national respect level is still above UNI's. SIU's multiple S16 runs are recent enough that it still registers with college BB fans.

[Bradleyfan1]

Dont forget about BU!

Love this stuff The Valley is gonna get the rec we deserve hopefully sooner than later!

Most of our success was back in the day but we did hit the Sweet 16 in 2006 beating Pitt and Kansas.

Also we are on our way up,


Lastly tip of the cap to Doug Elgin!

[rlh04d]

Dont forget about BU!

Love this stuff The Valley is gonna get the rec we deserve hopefully sooner than later!

Most of our success was back in the day but we did hit the Sweet 16 in 2006 beating Pitt and Kansas.

Also we are on our way up,


Lastly tip of the cap to Doug Elgin!

Bradley is a sleeping giant. I hope you guys wake up soon. The Valley needs you to be good.

[2livewu]

Nope, you're right. UNI has proven time and time again it can't compete "with the big boys". 5 NCAA's in 9 years, countless wins over big time programs like Kansas, Indiana, UNLV, New Mexico, LSU, Iowa, Iowa State, etc. You know, just catching them all "on a bad day".

Ultimate Fail=Trying to mix in INDIANA when they were as bad as anyone in the country and hope nobody notices. 3-15 in the Big10 12-20 overall. Too funny. And Iowa? Was that the Iowa team UNI lost to this year or the UNI team that lost to IOWA in 10-11? Seems like outside of KU, you caught BAD teams on bad days.

You're just proving my point over and over. UNI is never going to compete when it matters on the big stage for all the reasons I've stated. They're not alone, you're just one of the few saps trying to convince yourself that they do.

[siufan4life]

Sorry guys for being a troll.

[ShocksRbest]

That formula is based on wins of opponents not quality. Gonzaga had 32 wins and only played 3 actual games and almost lost to a 16 seed in the first round. Pitt is the choking master of the NCAAs. La Salle got a good draw. Ohio State shot horribly in that game and would beat Wichita 9 out of 10 times.

I think next year the Shocks will give you an opportunity to swallow your whistle.
Louisville beat Pitt by 3--we beat them by 18. Gonzaga was ranked number 1 and lost 2 games--we handed them their third. LaSalle was supposed to run us out of the gym--we beat them from start to finish. Ohio State had won 11 in a row--we ended their season. Louisville had beaten everyone in the tournament to that point by an average of 22 points--they barely won their game against us.

Don't know if you were watching the same games as I was, but WSU was the better team in every tourney game--you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

[saluki762]

That formula is based on wins of opponents not quality. Gonzaga had 32 wins and only played 3 actual games and almost lost to a 16 seed in the first round. Pitt is the choking master of the NCAAs. La Salle got a good draw. Ohio State shot horribly in that game and would beat Wichita 9 out of 10 times.

I think next year the Shocks will give you an opportunity to swallow your whistle.
Louisville beat Pitt by 3--we beat them by 18. Gonzaga was ranked number 1 and lost 2 games--we handed them their third. LaSalle was supposed to run us out of the gym--we beat them from start to finish. Ohio State had won 11 in a row--we ended their season. Louisville had beaten everyone in the tournament to that point by an average of 22 points--they barely won their game against us.

Don't know if you were watching the same games as I was, but WSU was the better team in every tourney game--you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Every tourney game?