Gregg Marshall

[Wufan]

Resume as a D-I head coach is as follows:

Marshall
Head coach for 15 years. Nine years at Winthrop and six years at WSU.
Record: 333-153, at WSU: 139-70, MVC: 66-42.
Post season: 1 CBI, 2 NITs (one championship), 9 NCAAs (one final four).

Jacobson
Head coach for 7 years, all at UNI.
Record: 150-86, at UNI: 150-86, MVC: 76-48
Post season: 2 CITs, 1 NIT, 2 NCAAs (one sweet 16).

Ford
Head coach for five years, three years at Kent State, two years at Bradley.
Record: 93-79, at BU: 25-42, MVC: 9-27
Post Season: 2 CITs, 2 NITs.

Hinson
Head coach for 12 seasons, two years at ORU, nine years at MSU, one year at SIU.
Record: 219-156, at SIU: 14-16, MVC: 111-87
Post season: 4 NITs.

Simmons
Head Coach for six years, all at Evansville.
Record: 75-92, at EU: 75-92, MVC: 32-58 (I know this is wrong, but its per Wiki. Someone want to help out?)
Post season: 1 CBI, 3 CITs (one semi-final).

Lusk
Head coach for two years, both at MSU
Record: 27-38, at MSU: 27-38, MVC: 16-20.
Post season: none

Lansing
Head Coach for three years, all at Indiana State.
Record: 56-44, at ISU: 56-44, MVC: 29-25
Post season: 1 CIT, 1 NIT, 1 NCAA (zero wins).

Moser
Head coach for nine years, three at UALR, four at ISU, two at Loyola.
Record: 127-140, at Loyola: 22-39, MVC (at Ill St): 22-50
Post season: none

Giacoletti
Head coach for seven years, four at Eastern Washington, three at Utah.
Record: 123-90, at Drake: 0-0, MVC: 0-0
Post season: 2 NCAA (1 sweet 16).

Muller
Head coach for one season…at ISU.
Record: 18-15, at ISU: 18-15, MVC: 8-10
Post season: none

If you take away Marshall's NINE NCAA tournament appearance seasons, his resume looks like this:

Mini-Marshall
Head coach for six seasons, two at Winthrop, four at WSU.
Record: 118-75, at WSU: 82-53, MVC: 38-34
Post Season: 1 CBI, 2 NITs (one championship)

I would rank Mini-Marshall sixth in the MVC behind Gregg Marshall, Jacobson, Giocoletti, Lansing, and Hinson.

[shoxrox]

I would put the leagues coaches into four tiers.

Top Tier-
Marshall
Jacobson

Tier II-
Ford
Hinson
Simmons

Tier III-
Lusk
Lansing (It gets ugly after Odum is gone)
Moser



Tier Too soon to tell-
Giacolletti
Muller (I think he ends up #10 by a large margin, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt right now...)

I would combine tiers 1 and 2 call tier 3 tier 2 and i agree w/ the too soon to tell tier and id call it the jurys out lol

Really? That's kinda asinine, especially given the resumes now laid before you.

[rlh04d]

Follow up after reading my list...

This league has lost a ton of coaching talent in the last decade. Its really too bad...

Lot of teams in this conference not willing to pay their coaches. Wouldn't completely fix that problem, but it'd be a great start.

And I like your list, but I don't think there is any way to argue that Marshall isn't alone in Tier 1, with Jacobson alone in Tier 2. Marshall has had far more success than Jacobson. Jacobson is a very, very good coach, but I think Marshall proved he was top 10 in the country this last season. I think he out-coached everyone he went up against, including Pitino, who I think is one of the top three coaches in the country.

[glm38]

Follow up after reading my list...

This league has lost a ton of coaching talent in the last decade. Its really too bad...

Lot of teams in this conference not willing to pay their coaches. Wouldn't completely fix that problem, but it'd be a great start.

And I like your list, but I don't think there is any way to argue that Marshall isn't alone in Tier 1, with Jacobson alone in Tier 2. Marshall has had far more success than Jacobson. Jacobson is a very, very good coach, but I think Marshall proved he was top 10 in the country this last season. I think he out-coached everyone he went up against, including Pitino, who I think is one of the top three coaches in the country.

I agree with you in some aspects. Marshall is the best coach in the conference. And its really not even close.But top 10 is a big time stretch. If hes regularly getting the Shox to ncaa sweet 16's and further then he belongs in that discussion. And really are there ANY top 10 coaches that haven't ever won their own conference tournament? I'm certainly not arguing that's anywhere close to as important as a final 4 but come on.....

[Redbird23]

I would rank in the following order:

1. Marshall - This is by a large margin.
2. Jacobson - Also by a large margin over the field.
3. Giacolettei - Needs to prove he can win at Drake, but he is one of three coaches with multiple NCAA appearances and one of three with a sweet 16.
4. Lansing - Only other coach that has an NCAA birth. He also has a winning record at ISU and in the MVC.
5. Hinson - Great record. Four NITs. No NCAAs. Could be fourth or even third on the list.
6. Ford - Good at Kent State. Bad at Bradley. Still has three post season births in 4 years.
7. Simmons - VERY mediocre record. Winning 21 games last year was monumental compared to his traditional mediocrity.
8. Muller - Incredibly pedestrian with a team picked to finish 2nd in his first year. Still has a winning record.
9. Lusk - His best (of two seasons) was a 16-16 finish.
10. Moser - A long history of 16 win seasons.

1. Marshall
2. Jacobson
3. Lansing
4. Hinson
5. Giacolettei
6. Simmons
7. Muller
8. Ford
9. Lusk
10. Moser (never has had success)

[rlh04d]

I agree with you in some aspects. Marshall is the best coach in the conference. And its really not even close.But top 10 is a big time stretch. If hes regularly getting the Shox to ncaa sweet 16's and further then he belongs in that discussion. And really are there ANY top 10 coaches that haven't ever won their own conference tournament? I'm certainly not arguing that's anywhere close to as important as a final 4 but come on.....

I probably have rose-colored glasses on there.

What would your top 10 be?

I'd have Shaka Smart in the top 10 as well, and his line would be very similar to Marshall's. Obviously the elite guys -- Coach K, Self, Donovan, Izzo, Pitino, Boeheim, Roy Williams, Calipari. After that, you've got Crean, Matta, Beilin, Larranaga, Huggins, Steve Fisher ... I don't know if I would actually take any of those guys over Marshall. I'd have Marshall in the #9-15 range.

[glm38]

Here's a pretty good top 10 list. These guys body of work exceeds Marshall IMO. But given that a lot of these guys are older so from that aspect if you are starting a team you might take Marshall over several of them.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/96 ... hes/page/7

[TylerDurden]

I agree with you in some aspects. Marshall is the best coach in the conference. And its really not even close.But top 10 is a big time stretch. If hes regularly getting the Shox to ncaa sweet 16's and further then he belongs in that discussion. And really are there ANY top 10 coaches that haven't ever won their own conference tournament? I'm certainly not arguing that's anywhere close to as important as a final 4 but come on.....

I probably have rose-colored glasses on there.

What would your top 10 be?

I'd have Shaka Smart in the top 10 as well, and his line would be very similar to Marshall's. Obviously the elite guys -- Coach K, Self, Donovan, Izzo, Pitino, Boeheim, Roy Williams, Calipari. After that, you've got Crean, Matta, Beilin, Larranaga, Huggins, Steve Fisher ... I don't know if I would actually take any of those guys over Marshall. I'd have Marshall in the #9-15 range.

Semi-off topic.

Thad Matta is one of the elite coaches in the country and, IMO, gets undersold.

Career record: 352–104 (.772) per Wiki
at Ohio State: 250–72 (.776) (8 years: 7 NCAAs (OSU was ineligible his first year) - Two Final Fours, One Elite 8, Two Sweet 16, One second round and one first round, 1 NIT Championship)

at Xavier: 78–23 (.772) (3 years: 3 NCAA trips, two second rounds, one Elite 8)

at Butler: 24-8 (One year: NCAA 2nd round)

He's won a conference regular season title (or tied for first) eight times in 13 years, including five Big Ten titles. His last four seasons have gone: 29 wins, 34 wins, 31 wins and 29 wins, with two Sweet 16s, a Final Four and an Elite Eight.

He's big time.

[Cdizzle]

I agree with you in some aspects. Marshall is the best coach in the conference. And its really not even close.But top 10 is a big time stretch. If hes regularly getting the Shox to ncaa sweet 16's and further then he belongs in that discussion. And really are there ANY top 10 coaches that haven't ever won their own conference tournament? I'm certainly not arguing that's anywhere close to as important as a final 4 but come on.....

I probably have rose-colored glasses on there.

What would your top 10 be?

I'd have Shaka Smart in the top 10 as well, and his line would be very similar to Marshall's. Obviously the elite guys -- Coach K, Self, Donovan, Izzo, Pitino, Boeheim, Roy Williams, Calipari. After that, you've got Crean, Matta, Beilin, Larranaga, Huggins, Steve Fisher ... I don't know if I would actually take any of those guys over Marshall. I'd have Marshall in the #9-15 range.

Semi-off topic.

Thad Matta is one of the elite coaches in the country and, IMO, gets undersold.

Career record: 352–104 (.772) per Wiki
at Ohio State: 250–72 (.776) (8 years: 7 NCAAs (OSU was ineligible his first year) - Two Final Fours, One Elite 8, Two Sweet 16, One second round and one first round, 1 NIT Championship)

at Xavier: 78–23 (.772) (3 years: 3 NCAA trips, two second rounds, one Elite 8)

at Butler: 24-8 (One year: NCAA 2nd round)

He's won a conference regular season title (or tied for first) eight times in 13 years, including five Big Ten titles. His last four seasons have gone: 29 wins, 34 wins, 31 wins and 29 wins, with two Sweet 16s, a Final Four and an Elite Eight.

He's big time.

That's pretty impressive. Wouldn't have guessed his resume was quite that good.

Though, if I may tie this to the current thread discussion, Matta was out-coached by Marshall in their meeting. Certainly he owns body of work.

[rlh04d]

Though, if I may tie this to the current thread discussion, Matta was out-coached by Marshall in their meeting. Certainly he owns body of work.

That's my point. I'm not underselling Matta -- his resume is elite.

However, I don't think anyone can watch the Ohio State and Wichita State game and not say that Marshall clearly out-coached Matta. I guess you could make the excuse that Matta was taking the game for granted and looking to the Final Four -- but that doesn't seem like something a good coach would do. Marshall clearly was the better coach in that game.