Evansville Basketball

[agrinut]

An average RPI over 200 vs an average RPI below 100. The aces are undoubtedly the worst program in the league.

^^ Troll comment...sources please?

My apologies the aces average RPI is 180 compared to MSU's 96. Evansville is historically the worst program in the league (I'm talking about the valley not something that happens 50 years ago).

[sixth ace]

An average RPI over 200 vs an average RPI below 100. The aces are undoubtedly the worst program in the league.

^^ Troll comment...sources please?

My apologies the aces average RPI is 180 compared to MSU's 96. Evansville is historically the worst program in the league (I'm talking about the valley not something that happens 50 years ago).

I like to see what stats you are using because they don't add up. UE has been in the 100-150the past 3 years.

It's usually smarter to do the homework before you insert your foot in your pie hole.

[agrinut]

^^ Troll comment...sources please?

My apologies the aces average RPI is 180 compared to MSU's 96. Evansville is historically the worst program in the league (I'm talking about the valley not something that happens 50 years ago).

I like to see what stats you are using because they don't add up. UE has been in the 100-150the past 3 years.

It's usually smarter to do the homework before you insert your foot in your pie hole.

That doesn't make up for the numerous times you are 250+ So maybe you are the one that should do a little homework, go look in the mirror and realize the aces have been putrid.

[stl scooter]

Since joining the Valley for the 94-95 season, UE has 136 conf wins. In comparison, Drake only has 125 during that same time frame.

How do you define the worst program in the league?

[PantherSigEp]

An average RPI over 200 vs an average RPI below 100. The aces are undoubtedly the worst program in the league.

^^ Troll comment...sources please?

My apologies the aces average RPI is 180 compared to MSU's 96. Evansville is historically the worst program in the league (I'm talking about the valley not something that happens 50 years ago).

I'd be interested in seeing how that stacks up using a 5-year average which would be much more prudent and relevant to measuring the current program in place. UNI has had some awful years in the past since joining the Valley but I'd say, especially in recent years, they've been one of the top programs, even if you discount the Sweet 16 run.

[agrinut]

Since joining the Valley for the 94-95 season, UE has 136 conf wins. In comparison, Drake only has 125 during that same time frame.

How do you define the worst program in the league?

BU 145
DU 143
EU 180
ISUr 151
ISUb 145
LU(c) 246
MSU 96
SIU 111
UNI 92
WSU 76

So I guess you are right you are better than Loyola who has yet to play a valley game.

[agrinut]

I'd be interested in seeing how that stacks up using a 5-year average which would be much more prudent and relevant to measuring the current program in place. UNI has had some awful years in the past since joining the Valley but I'd say, especially in recent years, they've been one of the top programs, even if you discount the Sweet 16 run.

The above is a 10 year average provided by our SID.

[Dean Wormer]

A couple of questions for our troll buddy...

How many seasons has MOST led the conference in attendance?

How many seasons has UE gone 0-fer the non-con?


Hint...the answer would be the same for both questions.

The neat little thing about 10 year average, ASSUMING, it is remotely correct, is it is just a randomly selected period. The rankings would be different if you used a 20 period, or a 5 year period.

No one is arguing the Aces had an awful period during most of the previous decade. And no one is going to say the program is back to where anyone wants it, but there is a positive progression line. Your program hit a low, few have ever hit in this league just last season. Marty has proven he can make improvements over time, Lusk has yet to show that.

I'm not going to go into an MSU-UE fight, because I am old enough to understand the long histories of both programs and how they have inter-twined over the years. But when a troll sits in a glass house and throws stones, he needs to have a little windex shown.

[PantherSigEp]

I'd be interested in seeing how that stacks up using a 5-year average which would be much more prudent and relevant to measuring the current program in place. UNI has had some awful years in the past since joining the Valley but I'd say, especially in recent years, they've been one of the top programs, even if you discount the Sweet 16 run.

The above is a 10 year average provided by our SID.

Even 10 years is not all that accurate when looking at the current program, I'd still prefer 5. Look at SIU, for example. You would guess that they had a strong program by looking at this chart, all because those years of NCAA success that are covered at the very beginning of this average. We all know that is hooplah. That success has long since dissipated. The players are gone, the coach is gone (thank goodness), the momentum and recruiting is gone and the fan support is essentially gone too. Almost nothing positive besides a couple banners in the gym are leftover from that success and we have once again predicted the Salukis will be at the very bottom of the conference. How in the world could you consider that 10 year average to be accurate in this case and call SIU the 4th best program in the conference? Rhetorical question, for your own safety from becoming Casey, don't attempt to answer that.

This average also is supposed to lead us to believe that Indiana State is a below Drake, Bradley, Missouri State and of course SIU. Maybe this season will be necessary for some of you to open your eyes but I think it's incredibly asinine to say that all 4 of those programs (no offense to any of them) are in near as enviable a position as the Sycamores are. They have two of the conferences premier players, a solid coach, good fan support and getting ready for an NCAA-or-bust season. Those other 4 programs could maybe only claim to have 1 or 2 of those attributes. Bradley is close but I'll need proof in the form of a .500 + season. Something they haven't done since 2009. Fed has them moving in the right direction though.

[agrinut]

I'd be interested in seeing how that stacks up using a 5-year average which would be much more prudent and relevant to measuring the current program in place. UNI has had some awful years in the past since joining the Valley but I'd say, especially in recent years, they've been one of the top programs, even if you discount the Sweet 16 run.

The above is a 10 year average provided by our SID.

Even 10 years is not all that accurate when looking at the current program, I'd still prefer 5. Look at SIU, for example. You would guess that they had a strong program by looking at this chart, all because those years of NCAA success that are covered at the very beginning of this average. We all know that is hooplah. That success has long since dissipated. The players are gone, the coach is gone (thank goodness), the momentum and recruiting is gone and the fan support is essentially gone too. Almost nothing positive besides a couple banners in the gym are leftover from that success and we have once again predicted the Salukis will be at the very bottom of the conference. How in the world could you consider that 10 year average to be accurate in this case and call SIU the 4th best program in the conference? Rhetorical question, for your own safety from becoming Casey, don't attempt to answer that.

This average also is supposed to lead us to believe that Indiana State is a below Drake, Bradley, Missouri State and of course SIU. Maybe this season will be necessary for some of you to open your eyes but I think it's incredibly asinine to say that all 4 of those programs (no offense to any of them) are in near as enviable a position as the Sycamores are. They have two of the conferences premier players, a solid coach, good fan support and getting ready for an NCAA-or-bust season. Those other 4 programs could maybe only claim to have 1 or 2 of those attributes. Bradley is close but I'll need proof in the form of a .500 + season. Something they haven't done since 2009. Fed has them moving in the right direction though.

I have requested both 5 year and the average of the programs since the UE's first season.