Teddy Hawkins officially to ISU, with an odd exception

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Re: Teddy Hawkins officially to ISU, with an odd exception

Postby Redbirdfan21 » September 24th, 2013, 8:01 am

mvcfan wrote:
Redbirdfan21 wrote:Can we put to rest that ISU fans should be kissing Marshall's feet for "allowing" Teddy to play at all now???

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the ... um=twitter

League commissioner Doug Elgin said Illinois State proposed the Valley to grant Hawkins partial relief from the two-year rule by allowing him to play in every game during the 2014-15 season except the Redbirds' two regular-season matchups against Wichita State. A committee of five league officials met about the request for three hours and ultimately decided to grant it last week.


Yes. ISUR is the bad guy here that screwed the league's competitive balance. Put the responsibility w here it should be.


Wouldn't the MVC be the "bad guy" here for making the ruling?
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Postby BTbird » September 24th, 2013, 9:05 am

mvcfan wrote:
Redbirdfan21 wrote:Can we put to rest that ISU fans should be kissing Marshall's feet for "allowing" Teddy to play at all now???

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the ... um=twitter

League commissioner Doug Elgin said Illinois State proposed the Valley to grant Hawkins partial relief from the two-year rule by allowing him to play in every game during the 2014-15 season except the Redbirds' two regular-season matchups against Wichita State. A committee of five league officials met about the request for three hours and ultimately decided to grant it last week.


Yes. ISUR is the bad guy here that screwed the league's competitive balance. Put the responsibility w here it should be.


It isn't ISU's responsibility to keep the league's competitive balance.
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Re: Teddy Hawkins officially to ISU, with an odd exception

Postby Red » September 24th, 2013, 10:46 am

Illinois St only needs to look out for Illinois St. If we made an offer that was accepted by the MVC which allowed Hawkins to play earlier, good for us. The other 8 schools can piss and moan all they want.
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Re: Teddy Hawkins officially to ISU, with an odd exception

Postby shoxrox » September 24th, 2013, 5:35 pm

Redbirdfan21 wrote:Can we put to rest that ISU fans should be kissing Marshall's feet for "allowing" Teddy to play at all now???

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the ... um=twitter

League commissioner Doug Elgin said Illinois State proposed the Valley to grant Hawkins partial relief from the two-year rule by allowing him to play in every game during the 2014-15 season except the Redbirds' two regular-season matchups against Wichita State. A committee of five league officials met about the request for three hours and ultimately decided to grant it last week.


Link also discusses the difference in this situation and McDermott...


Good. I'm glad it wasn't Marshall giving in.
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Re: Teddy Hawkins officially to ISU, with an odd exception

Postby BTbird » October 30th, 2013, 7:45 pm

In case this didn't get enough discussion the first time around. :twisted:

Jim Benson ‏@Pg_Benson
MVC coaches not happy that Teddy Hawkins doesn't play against Wichita State in 2014-15 season. Not happy at all. #isuhoops

The coaches must think this guy is damn good. I hope he makes it to next year!
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Re: Teddy Hawkins officially to ISU, with an odd exception

Postby uniftw » October 30th, 2013, 7:47 pm

BTbird wrote:In case this didn't get enough discussion the first time around. :twisted:

Jim Benson ‏@Pg_Benson
MVC coaches not happy that Teddy Hawkins doesn't play against Wichita State in 2014-15 season. Not happy at all. #isuhoops

The coaches must think this guy is damn good. I hope he makes it to next year!

It may mean he is good....it could also mean that a player can play against them that can't against WSU.

You don't think other coaches would be upset if Cleanthony couldn't play against UNI but could everyone else?

Tuttle against everyone except Drake?

This is just a silly ruling all the way around
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Re: Teddy Hawkins officially to ISU, with an odd exception

Postby BTbird » October 30th, 2013, 7:56 pm

uniftw wrote:
BTbird wrote:In case this didn't get enough discussion the first time around. :twisted:

Jim Benson ‏@Pg_Benson
MVC coaches not happy that Teddy Hawkins doesn't play against Wichita State in 2014-15 season. Not happy at all. #isuhoops

The coaches must think this guy is damn good. I hope he makes it to next year!

It may mean he is good....it could also mean that a player can play against them that can't against WSU.

You don't think other coaches would be upset if Cleanthony couldn't play against UNI but could everyone else?

Tuttle against everyone except Drake?

This is just a silly ruling all the way around


Those are first team MVC players that you are comparing him to. Next year will be his freshman year. My gut tells me that the coaches are overreacting a little but I agree that the ruling isn't all that fair regardless of how good he is.
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Re: Teddy Hawkins officially to ISU, with an odd exception

Postby Redbird Recon » October 30th, 2013, 8:41 pm

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Re: Teddy Hawkins officially to ISU, with an odd exception

Postby Shockerfan13 » October 30th, 2013, 9:17 pm

Redbird Recon wrote:The plot thickens...

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/colleg ... 963f4.html


I don't think it thickens at all. It clears things up. Marshall made the decision not to waive him, which is fully within the set rules. Then Illinois St basically begged by trying to "compromise" and the Valley sided with them.

All anger from other teams and fans can be directed at the conference only. This decision isn't on WSU at all. It was out of their hands once they denied the waiver, which they had every right to do based on the previously set rules put out by the league. They then changed the rules.
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Re: Teddy Hawkins officially to ISU, with an odd exception

Postby Snaggletooth » October 30th, 2013, 9:23 pm

Redbird Recon wrote:The plot thickens...

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/colleg ... 963f4.html


The only other alternative is he is not allowed to play for 2 years. Why have rules if you are not going to abide by them?
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