Odds the MVC is a one bid league?

[Black]

I'm still waiting for all of these other Valley team at large resumes. This guy just picks and chooses which posts to cherry pick. Whenever anybody destroys part of his argument, an argument I'm starting to forget what it's even about, he just ignores it like it doesn't exist.

This poster provides less answers than anyone else on this message board. A bit ironic.

The main premise for him seems to be a jealousy of WSU factor. That's all I'm getting out of it anyway.

[TheAnswerMan]

Once again, cherry-picking. I'm really not even sure anyone (including yourself) knows what your point is at this time, other than you really hate WSU and don't want them to make the NCAA tournament no matter what else.

I'm also not sure where you're finding these numbers. Linky please? I can't find numbers that match yours, both better and worse. I'm also pretty sure RPIs of ~100 (no matter what source you're using) will be higher than the majority of Valley teams this year....teams that have to be played at least twice.

Awesome! Keep cupcaking down your RPI against Valley teams. That'll help your chances on Selection Sunday. Remember, your best chance to be seeded high after winning Arch Cupcake is to talk down your league.

Can you provide the link I asked for so we can at least compare the same numbers? Or did you just make them up? The best chance of a high seed is to win a crapload of games, regardless of who you are or what league you're in. But then you changed your argument again from "at-large" potential to "getting a high seed".

A key point: The amount of "cupcaking down" (WTF does that even mean, btw?) fans do has no bearing on selection Sunday. The win/loss record and RPI does. Talking about how great a team is doesn't make their RPI go up.

The league is down this year. That is a fact. It might even completely suck. It will take another couple of weeks to find that out.

You don't build a league by tearing down the league. Cupcaking is declaring ad nauseum that your league is full of cupcakes. A better term might be self-cupcaking. That serves no purpose. The fortune of a league is built on attendance figures. It is a business. More business means more dollars in the recruiting budget. Cupcaking every team but your own may bring you personal satisfaction but it does nothing for overall attendance figures. Of course, maybe shocker fans don't mind the cupcaking because they plan to leap to the ACC next year. Don't know don't care. Or maybe they are happier in a cupcake environment so they can Gonzaga their way into the tourney every year. Again, don't know don't care. But if you persist in cupcaking the league while you are still in it, I will call you on it.

[Black]

I looked at the first few pages of this thread before it got troll-jacked and most of the people calling for 1 bid predictions were non-WSU fans. The fact that this troll then directs all of his diatribe towards only WSU fans pretty much affirms what the poster's whole point is and that's to unravel into a jealousy fit about WSU.

[TheAnswerMan]

I'm still waiting for all of these other Valley team at large resumes. This guy just picks and chooses which posts to cherry pick. Whenever anybody destroys part of his argument, an argument I'm starting to forget what it's even about, he just ignores it like it doesn't exist.

This poster provides less answers than anyone else on this message board. A bit ironic.

The main premise for him seems to be a jealousy of WSU factor. That's all I'm getting out of it anyway.

If you are waiting for me to praise your cupcaking and your crowing, you better pull up a comfortable chair, you'll be waiting for quite some time. I've already answered the rhetorical question. December 6th is too early to declare the shockers as the only possible at-large bid. You've been blinded by a meaningless early poll. And your schedule hasn't been earth shattering. As I recall a few years back, Drake was picked for the bottom and rose to the top. Did you give them a chance at an at-large bid in the first week of December in that year? I'll bet not. You were guessing then and you are guessing now. You mistake your guesses for answers. You don't have any answers today. That is why they play the games and don't start the year with the Dance to save time.

[Cdizzle]

Can you provide the link I asked for so we can at least compare the same numbers? Or did you just make them up? The best chance of a high seed is to win a crapload of games, regardless of who you are or what league you're in. But then you changed your argument again from "at-large" potential to "getting a high seed".

A key point: The amount of "cupcaking down" (WTF does that even mean, btw?) fans do has no bearing on selection Sunday. The win/loss record and RPI does. Talking about how great a team is doesn't make their RPI go up.

The league is down this year. That is a fact. It might even completely suck. It will take another couple of weeks to find that out.

You don't build a league by tearing down the league. Cupcaking is declaring ad nauseum that your league is full of cupcakes. A better term might be self-cupcaking. That serves no purpose. The fortune of a league is built on attendance figures. It is a business. More business means more dollars in the recruiting budget. Cupcaking every team but your own may bring you personal satisfaction but it does nothing for overall attendance figures. Of course, maybe shocker fans don't mind the cupcaking because they plan to leap to the ACC next year. Don't know don't care. Or maybe they are happier in a cupcake environment so they can Gonzaga their way into the tourney every year. Again, don't know don't care. But if you persist in cupcaking the league while you are still in it, I will call you on it.

Seems recently the fortune of the league has been built by the post-season success of the "self-cupcaking" teams......

I'd like to hear how any "cupcaking" drives down revenues. But then you haven't exactly been great at answering any of the questions posed to you. I spent years arguing with fellow basketball fans, trying to convince them the Valley was a legit league. I was right. The successes of the mid-2000's proved it. My team wasn't even necessarily part of all of that success. I'm not going to continue that argument when I know it isn't true. Unlike some folks, I like to use facts and reasoned analysis to support my claims.

[Cdizzle]

I'm still waiting for all of these other Valley team at large resumes. This guy just picks and chooses which posts to cherry pick. Whenever anybody destroys part of his argument, an argument I'm starting to forget what it's even about, he just ignores it like it doesn't exist.

This poster provides less answers than anyone else on this message board. A bit ironic.

The main premise for him seems to be a jealousy of WSU factor. That's all I'm getting out of it anyway.

If you are waiting for me to praise your cupcaking and your crowing, you better pull up a comfortable chair, you'll be waiting for quite some time. I've already answered the rhetorical question. December 6th is too early to declare the shockers as the only possible at-large bid. You've been blinded by a meaningless early poll. And your schedule hasn't been earth shattering. As I recall a few years back, Drake was picked for the bottom and rose to the top. Did you give them a chance at an at-large bid in the first week of December in that year? I'll bet not. You were guessing then and you are guessing now. You mistake your guesses for answers. You don't have any answers today. That is why they play the games and don't start the year with the Dance to save time.

Did you go back and look, or are you just making another ill-founded assumption? Drake was 8-1 at that time. No one is discounting the at-large chances of teams with similar records at this point in the year.

[Wufan]

. As I recall a few years back, Drake was picked for the bottom and rose to the top. Did you give them a chance at an at-large bid in the first week of December in that year? I'll bet not. You were guessing then and you are guessing now.

Oh come on now cupcake, Drake hadn't lost three games in December of that year. Who do you like for at large? I think Indiana State has a chance at an at large. What do you think?

[TheAnswerMan]

I looked at the first few pages of this thread before it got troll-jacked and most of the people calling for 1 bid predictions were non-WSU fans. The fact that this troll then directs all of his diatribe towards only WSU fans pretty much affirms what the poster's whole point is and that's to unravel into a jealousy fit about WSU.

Maybe they are so used to being shock-jacked that they lost their will to think on their own. I won't be that easy to emasculate. But why are you hiding behind them? How many bids are you predicting? ONE! And why are you so angry that anyone would dare to disagree with you? Can't you be "right" in early December by yourself without melting down?

[shocktheheart]

. As I recall a few years back, Drake was picked for the bottom and rose to the top. Did you give them a chance at an at-large bid in the first week of December in that year? I'll bet not. You were guessing then and you are guessing now.

Oh come on now cupcake, Drake hadn't lost three games in December of that year. Who do you like for at large? I think Indiana State has a chance at an at large. What do you think?

Drake didn't lose their third game until February that year. Damn facts again

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... e-bulldogs

Only teams in my realistic estimation with at large chances at this point are WSU, MSU, Drake, and Indiana St. What do you think cupcake man?

[shocktheheart]

I looked at the first few pages of this thread before it got troll-jacked and most of the people calling for 1 bid predictions were non-WSU fans. The fact that this troll then directs all of his diatribe towards only WSU fans pretty much affirms what the poster's whole point is and that's to unravel into a jealousy fit about WSU.

Maybe they are so used to being shock-jacked that they lost their will to think on their own. I won't be that easy to emasculate. But why are you hiding behind them? How many bids are you predicting? ONE! And why are you so angry that anyone would dare to disagree with you? Can't you be "right" in early December by yourself without melting down?

I hope there is more than one. Best scenario is three teams separate themselves in conference play.