Bears vs #6 Shockers 7pm Jan 11

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Re: Bears vs #6 Shockers 7pm Jan 11

Postby Red » January 13th, 2014, 2:13 pm

ShoxNAwe wrote:For anyone knocking WSU's schedule, in particular...every one of those big-time power conference schools had the opportunity to play WSU in Dallas prior to the season. Which one manned up and took the challenge? Not a one.

Ultimately, BCS schools have no reason to. It's up to WSU to schedule their games so don't pass blame.
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Re: Bears vs #6 Shockers 7pm Jan 11

Postby Cdizzle » January 13th, 2014, 2:16 pm

Red wrote:
ShoxNAwe wrote:For anyone knocking WSU's schedule, in particular...every one of those big-time power conference schools had the opportunity to play WSU in Dallas prior to the season. Which one manned up and took the challenge? Not a one.

Ultimately, BCS schools have no reason to. It's up to WSU to schedule their games so don't pass blame.


Yeahhhh, that "logic" doesn't work. It takes two teams to agree to play a game. My goodness.
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Re: Bears vs #6 Shockers 7pm Jan 11

Postby DUShock » January 13th, 2014, 2:34 pm

Red wrote:
ShoxNAwe wrote:For anyone knocking WSU's schedule, in particular...every one of those big-time power conference schools had the opportunity to play WSU in Dallas prior to the season. Which one manned up and took the challenge? Not a one.

Ultimately, BCS schools have no reason to. It's up to WSU to schedule their games so don't pass blame.


What an ignorant post.
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Re: Bears vs #6 Shockers 7pm Jan 11

Postby Player13 » January 13th, 2014, 2:35 pm

Red wrote:
ShoxNAwe wrote:For anyone knocking WSU's schedule, in particular...every one of those big-time power conference schools had the opportunity to play WSU in Dallas prior to the season. Which one manned up and took the challenge? Not a one.

Ultimately, BCS schools have no reason to. It's up to WSU to schedule their games so don't pass blame.


Um, it was a neutral court game. What the hell else do you want WSU to do?
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Re: Bears vs #6 Shockers 7pm Jan 11

Postby horacepinker » January 13th, 2014, 3:26 pm

Red wrote:
ShoxNAwe wrote:For anyone knocking WSU's schedule, in particular...every one of those big-time power conference schools had the opportunity to play WSU in Dallas prior to the season. Which one manned up and took the challenge? Not a one.

Ultimately, BCS schools have no reason to. It's up to WSU to schedule their games so don't pass blame.


I am now dumber because I read this post! Ranks right up there with "no one goes there because its always too crowded"
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Re: Bears vs #6 Shockers 7pm Jan 11

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Re: Bears vs #6 Shockers 7pm Jan 11

Postby ValleyFAN » January 13th, 2014, 6:43 pm

shocktheheart wrote:WSU's beat writer on the end of the game.

◾VanVleet’s three-point play with 47.7 second to play was critical. I watched it several times and I think the block call on MSU’s Nathan Scheer was correct by a whisker. If it is, it’s because Scheer was the secondary defender and still moving as VanVleet began his upward motion, a rule change explained here. It also appears that WSU is fortunate Lufile wasn’t called for taunting Scheer after the play. The replay doesn’t give us a great angle and I can’t be sure if Lufile said anything, but he definitely leaned over Scheer during the celebration after the call. Whether or not he actually taunted, that’s the kind of action that can earn attention from the officials. The Shockers caught the Bears in a small lineup, as ESPN3 color man Rich Zvosec pointed out, and Lufile, Early and Tekele Cotton did a great job hustling to the glass for rebounds. Lufile wisely avoid going over Scheer’s back for a rebound and kept the ball alive by tipping it to himself to start the possession. And as Early going for the tip-dunk, well, I give him props for a sense of drama even if a simpler play may have worked.
◾I was sitting next to MVC coordinator of officials Eddie Jackson and he said the jump-ball call, secured by Ron Baker late in overtime after a missed free throw, was correct. Baker dove on the ball and never moved. That’s not a travel. I am curious if WSU was trying to call a timeout – it had two remaining. Smart play by Baker to stay in one place and run clock while the Bears complained. It may be awhile before Early is allowed to box out on a critical free throw. Jarmar Gulley easily pushed him under the basket and almost tipped in the miss to tie the game.

Read more here: http://blogs.kansas.com/shockwaves/2014 ... rylink=cpy


It was a big call and everyone has their opinions. Mo State's radio man (Art Hains) was very vocal against the call today on his talk show, and he is usually pretty relaxed about most things. Man he was fired up today.
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Re: Bears vs #6 Shockers 7pm Jan 11

Postby rlh04d » January 13th, 2014, 8:16 pm

FearDaTrees wrote:1. Arizona
2. Syracuse
3. Wisconsin
4. Mich St
5. Villanova
6. Oklahoma St
7. Baylor
8. Florida
9. Iowa St
10. Pittsburgh

Wichita St at 12.

Well as long as you don't think we're as good as a team we handled in a scrimmage before the year with a worse record, a team we steamrolled in the NCAA tournament last year with a worse record, etc. Hell, have you looked at Pittsburgh's schedule? At least some of those teams I can understand based on schedule strength, but Pitt's schedule was terrible. And Baylor is 29th by KenPom's rankings ... They are 12 spots lower than the next team you listed (Florida at 17). WSU also has a tougher SOS than Syracuse and Oklahoma State per kenPom.

But thanks for your baseless opinions without justification.

There isn't a team there I'd be scared of WSU playing. I think they'd beat half and lose to half.

Personally, I don't know that WSU is one of the best ten teams in the country. But their record has earned their top ten ranking, and I wouldn't be shocked to see them in the Final Four again. I'd imagine when we lose our first game we'll settle around the 12-17 spots going into the tournament.
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Re: Bears vs #6 Shockers 7pm Jan 11

Postby BEARZ77 » January 13th, 2014, 8:22 pm

shocktheheart wrote:WSU's beat writer on the end of the game.

◾VanVleet’s three-point play with 47.7 second to play was critical. I watched it several times and I think the block call on MSU’s Nathan Scheer was correct by a whisker. If it is, it’s because Scheer was the secondary defender and still moving as VanVleet began his upward motion, a rule change explained here. It also appears that WSU is fortunate Lufile wasn’t called for taunting Scheer after the play. The replay doesn’t give us a great angle and I can’t be sure if Lufile said anything, but he definitely leaned over Scheer during the celebration after the call. Whether or not he actually taunted, that’s the kind of action that can earn attention from the officials. The Shockers caught the Bears in a small lineup, as ESPN3 color man Rich Zvosec pointed out, and Lufile, Early and Tekele Cotton did a great job hustling to the glass for rebounds. Lufile wisely avoid going over Scheer’s back for a rebound and kept the ball alive by tipping it to himself to start the possession. And as Early going for the tip-dunk, well, I give him props for a sense of drama even if a simpler play may have worked.
◾I was sitting next to MVC coordinator of officials Eddie Jackson and he said the jump-ball call, secured by Ron Baker late in overtime after a missed free throw, was correct. Baker dove on the ball and never moved. That’s not a travel. I am curious if WSU was trying to call a timeout – it had two remaining. Smart play by Baker to stay in one place and run clock while the Bears complained. It may be awhile before Early is allowed to box out on a critical free throw. Jarmar Gulley easily pushed him under the basket and almost tipped in the miss to tie the game.

Read more here: http://blogs.kansas.com/shockwaves/2014 ... rylink=cpy



Watched the video several times and I think what throws people off and perhaps the official as well, is that VanVleet does a jump step first to a two foot stop, then jumps again for his shot. By that time Scheer appears set and only moves backward at contact. Supposedly Lusk said the league issued apology today for the erroneous call; doesn't really matter and if so stupid move on their part. The call was what it was and I think issuing apologies if they did just makes things worse. Calls get made that affect the out come of games thru-out the 40 minutes, you just have to live with it.
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Re: Bears vs #6 Shockers 7pm Jan 11

Postby Player13 » January 13th, 2014, 9:41 pm

PantherSigEp wrote:1. Arizona --only beat Drexel by 4
2. Syracuse--didn't beat St. Francis until the final minute of play
3. Wisconsin--outscored in the 2nd half and barely beat UWGB
4. Mich St--won by just 4 against sub .500 Oakland and lost by double digits to UNC. And not a good UNC team either
5. Villanova--only beat Delaware by 4 and needed OT against Butler
6. Oklahoma St--lost to K-State and Memphis, beat Butler and West Virginia by a combined 3 pts
7. Baylor-- 5 pts over Charleston Southern, 2 pts over South Carolina, 1 pt over Dayton and took a beat down in Ames to Iowa State.
8. Florida--only beat Arkansas by 2 pts
9. Iowa St--beat BYU and Boise St by only 6 combined pts, needed OT to beat UNI
10. Pittsburgh--didn't even score 45 pts in a loss to Cincy. I mean, I'm a UNI, Ben Jacobson control-the-pace-slow-it-way-down fan and that's pathetic

Wichita St at 12.


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