#5 WSU vs Bradley

[Ricardo del Rio]

Shox named their score. As I watch other schools try to blow out their opponents by 40 points, that evil Marshall just can't do it. He just doesn't like running up the score. What a CU!*


No you just talk about how much you hate Wichita or things associated with WSU. No biggie though. If I were guessing I would say that you were called out for professing that only an idiot would want FVV on the first team over Lemon.

Again, it is called reading skills...get some. A WSU poster was proud to post the stats and said who would you take?? Based on those stats and stats alone. I would say most would pick Lemon. It was a very stupid post to post the stats. He was trying to brag that FVV stats were better. Fact of the matter is, they are not better.

Purple Teenager,

If you do not talk about facts, I am pretty sure it will serve you well.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Holy cow you guys are not any good at comprehension. I will talk slower....the post said who would you take and listed stats. Bases off those stats ALONE, myself and most other people would take Lemon. I was proving the guy wrong with him asking who would you take based on the stats. He seemed to think it was overwhelming that FVV was better based on his stats that HE HAD LISTED.

With that said, with what I know and watching the games. FVV is the better player.

That wasn't this guys arguement on the post. His arguement was who would you pick and listed some stats.

My goodness, it is like a bunch of whinny 2nd graders who are so defensive.

You sound like a teenager. A Purple teenager.

[Ricardo del Rio]

No, I quoted exactly what you typed, in the context it was written in. You keep speaking for other people, when nobody else has spoken.

Reading comprehension indeed is a tricky thing.

I will say it one more time for you and then I am done with this topic.

Good plan, Purple Teenager.

[Ricardo del Rio]

See this? Here is the quote.


Lets take a look at Walt Lemon vs. Fred Van Vleet and you tell me who you want. (Using stats from Valley site which only posts top 10)

Scoring: #4. Lemon 17.1, FVV not in top 15
Assists: #1. FVV 5.4, Lemon #5 3.9
FT%: #7 FVV .829
Steals: #3 Lemon 2.1, FVV #4 1.8
3PT%: #4 FVV .429, Lemon not in top 10
A/TO: #1 FVV 4.6, Lemon not in top 10
Minutes Played: #2 Lemon 33.4, FVV #3 32.6

Lemon: 4 categories in top 10
FVV: 6 categories in top 10

You promised that you would STFU, Purple Teenager.

[rlh04d]

I agree that I would rather have FVV, but their situations and responsibilities are very different...I'm not sure if relied on as heavily as Lemon, and targeted by defenses as heavily, that FVV would be able to put up the points Lemon does. Could also argue Lemon on WSU would be a different player too...I could be wrong though, and we will never really know. I think in the end these are both great players...1 is just on a great team as well.

That's a fair point. You could also argue that FVV would score more, though, without the share-the-ball mentality WSU features. You could also argue that because of Lemon's poor ball-security he would barely even see the floor at WSU. I'm absolutely convinced Nick Wiggins could be a 17+ PPG player for a number of bottom half MVC teams, just based on pure scoring ability, if an offense was built around scoring through him. But he struggles to find time for WSU because his defense and hustle have been circumspect at points.

Let's be real, though ... I don't remember the last recruit that was more highly regarded than Fred Van Vleet coming out of high school for a Valley program. Walt Lemon Jr. was the 149th ranked SG by ESPN and wasn't even rated by the other services. He's a guy that scores a lot of points for a team lacking any other options and doesn't do anything else particularly well. FVV would be starting for the majority of programs in the country. How many teams do we really think Lemon would start for?

I think FVV has a shot at the NBA. Lemon doesn't.

[rlh04d]

3Pt FG%--Again, without seeing either play and I am only going by stats...one has a higher %. I would conclude he has a higher % because he doesn't shoot as much because he doesn't average as much.

Did you seriously just argue that having a higher 3PT FG% is a negative?

[Wufan]

Here's my question on FVV.. Was this guy over looked by high major schools or did he pick Wichita over bigger schools? If I recall he was a top 5 prospect in IL when he came out

Fred played outside of Chicago so he lacked some exposure based on being "rural". Additionally, he played on a successful, but under talented AAU team. As a result he didn't get a lot of exposure in the AAU (even though he "stated" and won against highly rated players). Lastly, he was late to develop a high shooting percentage. Unathletic, short PGs that can't shoot don't get a lot of BCS attention. All that said, he committed early with WSU and was rated as #101 by one service. Why 101? Because no one on staff had ACTUALLY seen him play. After he committed to WSU, several high major coaches (Bruce Webber and Bill Self to name two) came calling to ask if his commitment was solid. He told them it was.

Two fun quotes:

Gregg Marshall asked Dana Ford if Fred was as good as Moore after loosing a game to ILS. Dana said, "Better."

When asked what role he would have at WSU, Fred said, "I'll do whatever. I'll hand out towels if that's what the staff thinks is best."

[rlh04d]

All that said, he committed early with WSU and was rated as #101 by one service.

As far as I can tell, he finished up #90 on Scout, #83 on ESPN, #138 by Rivals.

Anyone remember when the last consensus top 150 MVC recruit was?

[Wufan]

All that said, he committed early with WSU and was rated as #101 by one service.

As far as I can tell, he finished up #90 on Scout, #83 on ESPN, #138 by Rivals.

Anyone remember when the last consensus top 150 MVC recruit was?

My guess would be P'Allen Stinnett.

[rlh04d]

All that said, he committed early with WSU and was rated as #101 by one service.

As far as I can tell, he finished up #90 on Scout, #83 on ESPN, #138 by Rivals.

Anyone remember when the last consensus top 150 MVC recruit was?

My guess would be P'Allen Stinnett.

As best I can tell he was only ranked by Rivals.