AT-LARGE ODD [Update - 1/3 of Conference]

[KC MVC FAN]

UMKC moved from a conference with reasonably strong upside (with the Dakotas doing well, Denver coming aboard, Oral Bob coming back).

They moved to a conference (WAC) that was literally on its deathbed and includes several teams (not one, but several) who are only in it because no one else would take them.

I'm guessing our resident UMKC fan is furious about that move. And he should be. But his program forfeits the right to expect even a cursory glance from the MVC for at least 25 years, and not until they get out of the WAC.

Nope, not furious about anything. But a UMKC win against a RPI 75 team is a pretty good win for a team that is supposedly lower than whale sh-t. I think all the movement among conferences was mostly about football. As hard as some posters on this forum knock the Horizon, Summit, and CUSA, why doesn,'t more MVC teams don't play some teams from those conferences to build their resumes with some easy wins??????. If you can't beat'em don't knock'em. You and most of the posters on this forum were estatic when LOC granted membeship. What did it get you? Now about all I hear is damn, damn, damn. MVC should have taken NDSU or SDSU, or some other school west of the Mississippi. Eastern MVC posters extremely negative about any and all schools west of the Mississippi--not just UMKC. As the MVC ranking starts to sink in the quicksand, better do something or you will soon be like dogs sniffing Horizon, Summit, and CUSA butts.

[shocktheheart]

UMKC moved from a conference with reasonably strong upside (with the Dakotas doing well, Denver coming aboard, Oral Bob coming back).

They moved to a conference (WAC) that was literally on its deathbed and includes several teams (not one, but several) who are only in it because no one else would take them.

I'm guessing our resident UMKC fan is furious about that move. And he should be. But his program forfeits the right to expect even a cursory glance from the MVC for at least 25 years, and not until they get out of the WAC.

Nope, not furious about anything. But a UMKC win against a RPI 75 team is a pretty good win for a team that is supposedly lower than whale sh-t. I think all the movement among conferences was mostly about football. As hard as some posters on this forum knock the Horizon, Summit, and CUSA, why doesn,'t more MVC teams don't play some teams from those conferences to build their resumes with some easy wins??????. If you can't beat'em don't knock'em. You and most of the posters on this forum were estatic when LOC granted membeship. What did it get you? Now about all I hear is damn, damn, damn. MVC should have taken NDSU or SDSU, or some other school west of the Mississippi. Eastern MVC posters extremely negative about any and all schools west of the Mississippi--not just UMKC. As the MVC ranking starts to sink in the quicksand, better do something or you will soon be like dogs sniffing Horizon, Summit, and CUSA butts.

Who was "estatic" about Loyola? Who do you think should have been added in place of Loyola?

[TheAsianSensation]

Nope, not furious about anything. But a UMKC win against a RPI 75 team is a pretty good win for a team that is supposedly lower than whale sh-t. I think all the movement among conferences was mostly about football. As hard as some posters on this forum knock the Horizon, Summit, and CUSA, why doesn,'t more MVC teams don't play some teams from those conferences to build their resumes with some easy wins??????. If you can't beat'em don't knock'em. You and most of the posters on this forum were estatic when LOC granted membeship. What did it get you? Now about all I hear is damn, damn, damn. MVC should have taken NDSU or SDSU, or some other school west of the Mississippi. Eastern MVC posters extremely negative about any and all schools west of the Mississippi--not just UMKC. As the MVC ranking starts to sink in the quicksand, better do something or you will soon be like dogs sniffing Horizon, Summit, and CUSA butts.

I'm bolding the part where I did a spit take. Almost nobody was ecstatic about LUC at the time and some were furious. You don't have a very good pulse on the opinions of this board.

And I don't see anyone knocking those other conferences. They're worse conferences; that's common knowledge. No one's saying they're sub-human.

[shocktheheart]

UMKC moved from a conference with reasonably strong upside (with the Dakotas doing well, Denver coming aboard, Oral Bob coming back).

They moved to a conference (WAC) that was literally on its deathbed and includes several teams (not one, but several) who are only in it because no one else would take them.

I'm guessing our resident UMKC fan is furious about that move. And he should be. But his program forfeits the right to expect even a cursory glance from the MVC for at least 25 years, and not until they get out of the WAC.

Nope, not furious about anything. But a UMKC win against a RPI 75 team is a pretty good win for a team that is supposedly lower than whale sh-t. I think all the movement among conferences was mostly about football. As hard as some posters on this forum knock the Horizon, Summit, and CUSA, why doesn,'t more MVC teams don't play some teams from those conferences to build their resumes with some easy wins??????. If you can't beat'em don't knock'em. You and most of the posters on this forum were estatic when LOC granted membeship. What did it get you? Now about all I hear is damn, damn, damn. MVC should have taken NDSU or SDSU, or some other school west of the Mississippi. Eastern MVC posters extremely negative about any and all schools west of the Mississippi--not just UMKC. As the MVC ranking starts to sink in the quicksand, better do something or you will soon be like dogs sniffing Horizon, Summit, and CUSA butts.

Here is who in the Valley that has played Horizon, Summit, and CUSA teams this year:
Tulsa- WSU, Indiana St, MSU
UIC- Loyola, Drake
Oakland- Illinois St
IUPUI- Evansville, Bradley, Drake
Valpo- Evansville
Milwaukee- UNI, Bradley
IPFW- Bradley
UNO- Drake
The only team in the Valley that didn't play someone from these conferences is SIU. How many games do we need to play with these teams in order for you to be happy?

[TheDrake]

UMKC moved from a conference with reasonably strong upside (with the Dakotas doing well, Denver coming aboard, Oral Bob coming back).

They moved to a conference (WAC) that was literally on its deathbed and includes several teams (not one, but several) who are only in it because no one else would take them.

I'm guessing our resident UMKC fan is furious about that move. And he should be. But his program forfeits the right to expect even a cursory glance from the MVC for at least 25 years, and not until they get out of the WAC.

Nope, not furious about anything. But a UMKC win against a RPI 75 team is a pretty good win for a team that is supposedly lower than whale sh-t. I think all the movement among conferences was mostly about football. As hard as some posters on this forum knock the Horizon, Summit, and CUSA, why doesn,'t more MVC teams don't play some teams from those conferences to build their resumes with some easy wins??????. If you can't beat'em don't knock'em. You and most of the posters on this forum were estatic when LOC granted membeship. What did it get you? Now about all I hear is damn, damn, damn. MVC should have taken NDSU or SDSU, or some other school west of the Mississippi. Eastern MVC posters extremely negative about any and all schools west of the Mississippi--not just UMKC. As the MVC ranking starts to sink in the quicksand, better do something or you will soon be like dogs sniffing Horizon, Summit, and CUSA butts.

Here is who in the Valley that has played Horizon, Summit, and CUSA teams this year:
Tulsa- WSU, Indiana St, MSU
UIC- Loyola, Drake
Oakland- Illinois St
IUPUI- Evansville, Bradley, Drake
Valpo- Evansville
Milwaukee- UNI, Bradley
IPFW- Bradley
UNO- Drake
The only team in the Valley that didn't play someone from these conferences is SIU. How many games do we need to play with these teams in order for you to be happy?

Ssshhh.. KC FAN has stated on many occasions that he isn't interested in pesky things like facts. He just wants to talk UMKC basketball on an MVC message board without actual basketball results being brought into the discussion. Is that too much to ask?? Jeez.

[TheAsianSensation]

Maybe we could just repeat the year when Bradley played 4 road games at Horizon schools in a single season.

[KC MVC FAN]

Not going back through a bunch of posts.. Several on this forum have seriously and recently knocked those 3 conferences. MVC guys have tendency to knock any one lower than them. Why keep hitting on the WAC, CUSA, Horizon, Summit, ++++--some MVC schools need to keep their options open if they have to look for a new home if they don't start looking better. I say again, if WSU departs MVC, MVC becomes a RPI 15++ conference.

[shocktheheart]

Not going back through a bunch of posts.. Several on this forum have seriously and recently knocked those 3 conferences. MVC guys have tendency to knock any one lower than them. Why keep hitting on the WAC, CUSA, Horizon, Summit, ++++--some MVC schools need to keep their options open if they have to look for a new home if they don't start looking better. I say again, if WSU departs MVC, MVC becomes a RPI 15++ conference.

You going to answer this question? conf How many games do we need to play with these teams in order for you to be happy?

[Play Angry]

why on earth are you guys still seriously engaging him

[Bluejay09Bear06]

I agree with whoever said UMKC joining the WAC closed the door on MVC membership for at least 25 years. The WAC is lucky to have an automatic bid with the who's who of 300+ RPI's on their roster. Good Lord. If and when NMSU bolts, that conference may (or at least SHOULD) have its auto bid revoked. The Summit is a low-major but a scrappy conference with a couple of decent teams. Why did UMKC leave to join a geographical misfit and bottom of the barrel in every sport WAC? If it's because they have a better shot of an automatic bid against literally the worst teams in Division 1, that tells me UMKC is not willing to make the necessary investments to be competitive in a conference like the MVC.