2013-2014 Bracketology thread

[KC MVC FAN]

[quote="rlh04d"][quote="KC MVC FAN"]Ist: Takes more than a year to build schedule. Ask any of several MVC teams!

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How many MVC teams have Hall of Fame coaches with their protégés coaching tons of D1 programs?

SMU chose to schedule weak. They didn't fall into a 300-ish schedule on accident.[/quote]

What are you saying with your first comment: "How many MVC teams have .............................."

Same with your second: "SMU chose to schedule weak. They didn't fall into a 300-ish schedule on accident".
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Either Does not make a lot of sense. I would think most schedules, especially, for power teams, are locked in 2, 3, 4 years out. SMU can't/could not just step in and say this year I want to schedule KU, KY, DUKE, UNC, Florida, Arizona, ............................... MVC teams can't, won't, have not been able to! WSU hasn't. Don't blame Larry Brown or any second year coach. He has to play the cards (teams) he was holding/dealt and over time draw (build) a better schedule. Be fair to ,LB, several MVC coaches have been there a few years and are playing garbage schedules.

[bleach]

I get angry when people suggest eliminating the auto bids! That is the way the BCS schools look at us!
We've all seen the little guy (FGCU) rise up and beat those sure win teams. When I was younger, I watched Southwest Missouri State University beat a 2 seeded Clemson with Horace Grant. Glad they "let" the little guys play.

[Wufan]

I get angry when people suggest eliminating the auto bids! That is the way the BCS schools look at us!
We've all seen the little guy (FGCU) rise up and beat those sure win teams. When I was younger, I watched Southwest Missouri State University beat a 2 seeded Clemson with Horace Grant. Glad they "let" the little guys play.

I agree. I feel like the auto bids should get seeded 1-32 (or 36 or whatever) and that the at large teams should be seeded next. If you win your auto bid, you shouldn't have to play in round 1.

[ShoxNAwe]

Ist: Takes more than a year to build schedule. Ask any of several MVC teams!


Added: IMO, Now that the 2014 BB season is coming to a close I think there should be a change to the NCAA Tournament bid process. There are 32 D1 conferences that host conference tournaments, with all tournament champions receiving an automatic bid. The Ivy league does not have a league tournament but the league season leader get an automatic bid. That's 33 of 68 bids. There are 35 at-large bids including four pigtail play-in bids. Thirty three automatic bids are a lot, perhaps to many, automatic bids. IMO, many deserving teams are being denied entry to the NMCAA tournament due to so many "feel good" automatic bids to the lower ranked conferences.
I think there are two possible ways to improve the tournament: (1) increase the number of teams or (2) reduce the number of automatic bids by eliminating automatic bids to lowest ranked conferences. I personally think the best course is to eliminate the automatic bids to the 8th to 12 lowest ranked conferences. If 8, this year that would be #25 Northeast, #26 Big Sky, #27 Southland, #28 America East, #29 Southern, #30 Big South, #31 MEAC, #32 SWAC. If 12 add: # 21 WAC, #22 Patriot, #23 Ohio Valley, # 24 Atlantic Sun.

These eight to 12 slots could then be given to more competitive team. For example: SMU, Wisconsin Green Bay, Arkansas, Georgetown, Florida State (the six most talked about snubs) , Indiana, poaches from the NIT, maybe Indiana State, etc.

IMO, the CBI and CIT is available for the lower ranked conference tournament champions who were struck from the automatic bid list.

Not throwing this up for argument, just for discussion!

No thanks. Eliminating teams who win a conference regular season title is the exact opposite of what needs to happen. Instead, give every conference regular season title winner an autobid. Stop playing favorites by subjectively lopping off conferences because the next step in that is to eliminate autobids for the MVC. Once you start down that slippery slope it won't stop until the Power 6 turn the NIT into our tournament.

[KC MVC FAN]

Still, it is a matter of competition. Today's NIT first day schedule/games is a hell of a lot better than the NCAA first round games will be. The NCAA first round is an all around feel good round for both high ranked (1s,2s ,3s etc. and low ranked 16, 15 , 14 , etc., teams.) 1 VS 16, 2 VS 15, 3 VS 14, etc. are not good games. Feel good: LOOK at ME MOM, I MADE IT.

2nd subject: .Recruiting. Background: earlier today a couple of posts on weak schedules, especially SMU, a a factor in not getting an NCAA bid. A couple of poster were trying to blame the SMU 2nd year coach Larry Brown for the schedule weakness. Read a very good article in today's KC STAR, says it was lifted from the Wichita EAGLE and written Paul Suellentrop. If I read it correctly, even at WSU, the coach is not responsible for the schedule. Appears that Athletic Dept. administrators (Assistant ADs) are/have taken over scheduling. Why, success in BB is to important to leave to the coach, coaches are too busy with the team, sports are big business and thus the purview of administration. But, perhaps the most to take from the article is that schedules are years and years in the making. No as simple as WSU's Coach Marshall calling Coach Williams at UNC, or Coach Calipari (SP) at KY. Good article. Readers should be able to GOOGLE Wichita Eagle Sports.

[ShoxNAwe]

Coaches help play matchmaker at every opportunity. Golf outings, meetings during the Final 4 and in the summer, whenever they see other coaches on the recruiting trail, charity events...you name it, they are working it. Granted, they hand it off to the Associate AD and/or the DOBO to work out the details, but they can put matchups into play at any time.

[rlh04d]

Ist: Takes more than a year to build schedule. Ask any of several MVC teams!

How many MVC teams have Hall of Fame coaches with their protégés coaching tons of D1 programs?

SMU chose to schedule weak. They didn't fall into a 300-ish schedule on accident.

What are you saying with your first comment: "How many MVC teams have .............................."

Same with your second: "SMU chose to schedule weak. They didn't fall into a 300-ish schedule on accident".
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Either Does not make a lot of sense. I would think most schedules, especially, for power teams, are locked in 2, 3, 4 years out. SMU can't/could not just step in and say this year I want to schedule KU, KY, DUKE, UNC, Florida, Arizona, ............................... MVC teams can't, won't, have not been able to! WSU hasn't. Don't blame Larry Brown or any second year coach. He has to play the cards (teams) he was holding/dealt and over time draw (build) a better schedule. Be fair to ,LB, several MVC coaches have been there a few years and are playing garbage schedules.

Why do you sound surprised that you don't understand? After 150 posts here, you still haven't figured out what the quote tags on this forum do.

I asked the first question because Larry Brown is a damn legend in coaching. He does not have the same natural disadvantage in scheduling that an MVC coach has, and to compare the two is disingenuous or outright retarded. Brown has a dozen coaches or more than owe him their careers and would schedule his team in a second. He also has far more coaches than that who would like to beat him for their own egos or resumes. He does not have the disadvantages of a first or second year MVC coach.

Secondly, yes, in college football, games are usually scheduled four years out. This isn't college football. Wichita State's associate AD was just quoted in the article that he's using the tourney time to network in order to schedule games for next year. That's how scheduling in college basketball works.

Of WSU's lineup, I think only the Tennessee, Tulsa, Davidson, and CBE games were set up prior to the end of last season's March Madness: Tennessee was the second in a home/home series, Tulsa has been a long series, Davidson was a return game for Bracket Busters two years ago, and the CBE I believe we were set up for two years.

Which means the only games that Brown was "saddled with" this year would be the early season tournament and second games in a home/home series, most likely. Any game that was new this year, like, say, Arkansas Pine-bluff (264 RPI), McNeese State (272 RPI), Illinois-Chicago (315 RPI), and Texas Pan-American (317 RPI), would be all on them. Every one of those would have been 73 RPI spots, at least, worse than the worst RPI team WSU chose to schedule.

You don't need to schedule Duke, Kansas, or Florida like you're lying about. You just don't schedule those teams.

Absolutely a bunch of MVC teams are playing garbage schedules still. And they'd miss the tourney without winning the conference tournament or winning 25+ games, too, just like SMU.

It takes more than a year to build a great schedule. It doesn't take more than a year to build a schedule better than 295. The Valley teams with schedules that bad chose to schedule like that because they didn't enter the year even hoping for an at-large bid, like Evansville, Bradley, SIU, Loyola.

[KC MVC FAN]

[quote="rlh04d"][quote="KC MVC FAN"][quote="rlh04d"][quote="KC MVC FAN"]Ist: Takes more than a year to build schedule. Ask any of several MVC teams!

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How many MVC teams have Hall of Fame coaches with their protégés coaching tons of D1 programs?

SMU chose to schedule weak. They didn't fall into a 300-ish schedule on accident.[/quote]

What are you saying with your first comment: "How many MVC teams have .............................."

Same with your second: "SMU chose to schedule weak. They didn't fall into a 300-ish schedule on accident".
"
Either Does not make a lot of sense. I would think most schedules, especially, for power teams, are locked in 2, 3, 4 years out. SMU can't/could not just step in and say this year I want to schedule KU, KY, DUKE, UNC, Florida, Arizona, ............................... MVC teams can't, won't, have not been able to! WSU hasn't. Don't blame Larry Brown or any second year coach. He has to play the cards (teams) he was holding/dealt and over time draw (build) a better schedule. Be fair to ,LB, several MVC coaches have been there a few years and are playing garbage schedules.[/quote]
Why do you sound surprised that you don't understand? After 150 posts here, you still haven't figured out what the quote tags on this forum do.

I asked the first question because Larry Brown is a damn legend in coaching. He does not have the same natural disadvantage in scheduling that an MVC coach has, and to compare the two is disingenuous or outright retarded. Brown has a dozen coaches or more than owe him their careers and would schedule his team in a second. He also has far more coaches than that who would like to beat him for their own egos or resumes. He does not have the disadvantages of a first or second year MVC coach.

Secondly, yes, in college football, games are usually scheduled four years out. This isn't college football. Wichita State's associate AD was just quoted in the article that he's using the tourney time to network in order to schedule games for next year. That's how scheduling in college basketball works.

Of WSU's lineup, I think only the Tennessee, Tulsa, Davidson, and CBE games were set up prior to the end of last season's March Madness: Tennessee was the second in a home/home series, Tulsa has been a long series, Davidson was a return game for Bracket Busters two years ago, and the CBE I believe we were set up for two years.

Which means the only games that Brown was "saddled with" this year would be the early season tournament and second games in a home/home series, most likely. Any game that was new this year, like, say, Arkansas Pine-bluff (264 RPI), McNeese State (272 RPI), Illinois-Chicago (315 RPI), and Texas Pan-American (317 RPI), would be all on them. Every one of those would have been 73 RPI spots, at least, worse than the worst RPI team WSU chose to schedule.

You don't need to schedule Duke, Kansas, or Florida like you're lying about. You just don't schedule those teams.

Absolutely a bunch of MVC teams are playing garbage schedules still. And they'd miss the tourney without winning the conference tournament or winning 25+ games, too, just like SMU.

It takes more than a year to build a great schedule. It doesn't take more than a year to build a schedule better than 295. The Valley teams with schedules that bad chose to schedule like that because they didn't enter the year even hoping for an at-large bid, like Evansville, Bradley, SIU, Loyola.[/quote]

Hey guy!! Hey guy! Slow down. Slow down. YOUR HAIR IS ON FIRE! YOUR HAIR IS ON FIRE. You are going to have a tizzy or a heart attack.. Lets count: 1 ana 2 ana 3 ana 4ana............ Need a drink of water, a coke, a beer , a double Jack?.

One at a time. I don't usually do "QUOTATIONS". A waste of paper. If I want to address a comment I would rather do a cut and paste. Cleaner, more efficient, easily read. Why do you care?

2. Don't think the WSU administrator and reporter were discussing football schedules You do know WSU does not play football?.

3. Ever hear of a contract. Surely think most games are set up in a contract a few to several years in advance. Difficult and expensive to break (cancel a game to schedule another team).

4. Please explain to me why I am "LYING ABOUT" anything I said in my post. Bad words! Bad words. YELLOW CARD! YELLOW CARD!

5. I think you are 'Cherry Picking" when talking abut the SMU weak schedule. Relative to who? Too teams who made the NCAA? Certainly not relative to 9 MVC teams. SMU a member of the American Conference, a conference you wish you were in. Tough, tough conference. I looked at SMU' schedule. Yes, they had five weak opponents ranked number 300 plus or minus 5 points: Texas State #297, ARK Pine Bluff #290, McNeese State #305, IL Chicago #294, Texas Pan Am #293. But that also means they 27 other games against good teams. SMU overall a schedule that is part of a # 7 conference ranking. Why and when SMU scheduled those five teams, who knows? Not me. But seriously doubt Larry Brown did.

As you said: "I asked the first question because Larry Brown is a damn legend in coaching" Correcto! Too smart, too much experience. understands the strategy of scheduling. Think he was probably locked in by contracts SMU could not would not try to break. Also, who would have thought he would come from nowhere to be a contender in one year (by the end of his first year). Get real. Even trying to break a game contract who have sunk SMU and LB reputations to lower than whale dodo.

[TheAsianSensation]

Actually, on review, SMU got unlucky a little bit, although they still made their own bed.

They got Virginia and TAMU in their MTT. That tournament also forced on them UAPB and Sam Houston St (SHSU wasn't actually that bad).

They continued a series with Rhode Island which was a dagger to them. Also a series with Wyoming.

They also played TCU and Arkansas.

On the surface, if those are your top 6...you're not having a good schedule, but you shouldn't expect to be in the 300s, either. The problem is, as detailed above, the cupcakes were especially fattening. Need to make better, low calorie choices there.

[TheAsianSensation]

Want to know why the American was underseeded across the board?

OOC SoS
Temple 45
Memphis 55
UConn 78
Cincinnati 95
Rutgers 131
Louisville 149
SMU 295
South Florida 322
Houston 342
Central Florida 344

This is why your bottom members must schedule better, Valley. There are repeat offenders who should be called out.