NCAA vote is bad, bad news for the MVC

[mvcfan]

It will be interesting when New York, Massachussetts, Illinois, California, etc. begin taxing the pay of athletes including college tuition/books, food income, and income produced from advertisements/marketing endorsements that are enhanced by university exposure.

[rally]

I wouldn't be surprised if the A-10 splinters over this, and I could see Wichita (and others) try and figure out a setup that gets all the best basketball-onlies together.

I'd fully expect the A10 to enact any new policy in order to remain competitive. Those programs have already made the commitments to basketball. I'd expect any splintering to come from the lower level conferences.

[purple&orange]

Granted it's football related but I wonder about the chatter of the Big 5 as they are calling themselves as some want to only play one another now that there is a playoff and SOS is involved. The administrators and fanbases seem to want to exclude everyone, however when their favorite school is 4-8 and missing a bowl instead of 6-6 with an easier conference schedule, it'll be interesting to see what comes of it as they may not like some of those consequences they are clamoring for.

A healthy conference should have membership that has the ability top to bottom to compete for championships. Someone has to finish last. A key part of that is financial, especially under the current rule changes where the ability to cover additional aspects are in play.

Resources don't always equate success and one thing that The Valley has done a pretty good job of in the past is making the most of what they have, now that may have to be tweaked a little bit in a new era. I do believe that this will continue and no matter the rules that are in play, what a school can or will not provide, they'll find a way to compete.

[MoValley John]

It's all sunshine and lollipops in Cedar Falls. Nothing to see here, folks.
http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaaf/writer/dennis-dodd/24653888/obannon-decision-signals-the-end-of-the-collegiate-model?v=1&vc=1

From the article: In an ultimate irony, an organization that fights so hard against recruits being paid under the table on the front end will have to pay them legally on the back end. And if the whole thing goes through as presented Friday, look for another round of mind-bending, tradition-crushing conference realignment.

The elite of the elite will cluster together.


Yep, it's just a couple of posters from Omaha....

[glm38]

I'm not really sure why you are picking on Evansville? Have they reduced their men's basketball budget in recent years? Has any MVC school?

This isn't going to be chump change, but it's not going to break the bank either. MVC/A-10/MWC/WCC schools understand the value of continuing to compete at this level in terms of exposure for their university, and will come up with what's necessary. If cost of attendance starts to blow up any conferences, I really think that line will be drawn below our level. Summit, Horizon, WAC... Who knows. But those conferences are already very volatile.

Just an example school and they are small. That said, I could really be a dick and mention that SIU is broke, Drake doesn't spend Money, Loyola is small with a small fan base, Missouri State had to sell cattle to keep athletics afloat, on and on and on. And while each fan base of each school is positive that their school can keep up with this spending increase, with as many schools that have already had financial problems in the past, do you really trust the others? Are you positive that your school can and will keep up when this balloons from a few hundred grand to a few million? If you are sure, you better be first in line to write the check (and a big check) without complaining.

You say "I could really be a dick and mention......" And then you do proceed to call out several Valley schools?? Real classy.

[Snaggletooth]

As far as insurance goes, I was surprised when insurance was in the discussion. How can athletic departments possibly not have insurance coverage for athletes?

Athletes primary insurance picks up the tab, and then the Schools picks up what not covered. We have obama care so all players should have insurance.

[MoValley John]

I'm not really sure why you are picking on Evansville? Have they reduced their men's basketball budget in recent years? Has any MVC school?

This isn't going to be chump change, but it's not going to break the bank either. MVC/A-10/MWC/WCC schools understand the value of continuing to compete at this level in terms of exposure for their university, and will come up with what's necessary. If cost of attendance starts to blow up any conferences, I really think that line will be drawn below our level. Summit, Horizon, WAC... Who knows. But those conferences are already very volatile.

Just an example school and they are small. That said, I could really be a dick and mention that SIU is broke, Drake doesn't spend Money, Loyola is small with a small fan base, Missouri State had to sell cattle to keep athletics afloat, on and on and on. And while each fan base of each school is positive that their school can keep up with this spending increase, with as many schools that have already had financial problems in the past, do you really trust the others? Are you positive that your school can and will keep up when this balloons from a few hundred grand to a few million? If you are sure, you better be first in line to write the check (and a big check) without complaining.

You say "I could really be a dick and mention......" And then you do proceed to call out several Valley schools?? Real classy.

Okay, I'll stay classy right now and ask a serious, straightforward question. We've only seen the beginning of what is taking place. I posted an article regarding the O'Bannon decision. The article gave two opinions that should be of immediate and great concern to Valley fans. One, that the cost pure athlete will be around $5,000, not $1,800. Also, the O'Bannon decision is going to create another round of conference realignment. Does this not concern you?

Here are a few bonus questions, does the added expense of possibly $5,000 or more chill Missouri State fan's desire to jump to the Sun Belt, where they will undoubtedly have to pay football players, at the same time, jump to 85 scholarships?

Have you done the math of 85×$5,000?

Do you think the Power 5 are going to slow down the arms race?

Where are the additional funds going to come from?

If you want to point out that I'm being a dick, fine, but that doesn't change what is happening right now.

[glm38]

If you want to point out that I'm being a dick, fine, but that doesn't change what is happening right now.

The funny thing is I'm not the one that pointed out you were being " a real dick". Go back and read your original statement. Those were your words not mine. You outed yourself there.

Since Creighton left you come on here every once in a while and in general take trolling potshots at any of what you perceive to be lesser schools (or any MVC school not named WSU). And then you act surprised when fans and alumni of those schools take offense? What do you expect? Personally I think you are one of those guys that just delights in putting others down.

And I'm curious do you go on the new Big East message board and call out CU's other league members for their shortcomings? For instance DePaul's horrible fan support? Their attendance numbers were well below most MVC schools for MBB.

As far as your comments about MSU and the Sun Belt - all that is at this point is a rumor. Our AD has stated publicly that MSU is not at this time seeking membership in that conference.

Speaking for myself only - I'm not burying my head in the sand. I know these recent developments could have consequences. But I choose to believe MSU will find the necessary funds to stay competitive. At least in basketball. I couldn't care less about football although I do realize that funding football does affect our athletic dept as a whole.

[MoValley John]

Interesting comments. First off, I haven't visited a Creighton message board in years. Not since Matt Pereault took ownership. I have never been on a Big East Message board. Not once. Never. So now that I've addressed your ad hominem, let's move on.

I mostly care about the Valley because I come from a large, athletic Midwestern Catholic family and have relatives that compete on Valley teams, be it Valley Pop Warner football, cross country and women's volleyball. I also have a nephew competing in baseball, but not in the Valley. For those keeping score, I have three relatives currently competing at three different Valley schools. My care regarding this issue is how it affects them. This will impact them. This whole discussion is centered around basketball and football, but all sports will be impacted. Your precious diving team could go away so the Bears can pay their football and basketball players. It could impact those divers. So how Evansville deals with this concerns me. How the great cowherd-selling Bears deal with this concerns me. What Drake does concerns me. Wichita State leaving concerns me. In two years, none of my relatives will be competing at Valley schools and I won't care. Until then, I'll be a dick when I see an issue of money possibly tanking this league, it concerns me. If I offend or upset you, it doesn't concern me.

[glm38]

Well at least we have firmly established who and what you are. A short term MVC fan who is also a dick (again your word regarding yourself not mine).

As someone with a long-standing interest in MSU and Valley basketball - I'll look forward to the day when you no longer care.