MVC Preseason selections

[Wufan]

I agree that there are some challengers. Muller stepped up on record and said we are going to be a top 10 team nationally. Just curious who else has the balls to not say, there are some good teams in this league, but to step up and say theres a top 10 team in this league and it's NOT WSU.

[Championz]

Yeah I said the same thing in 97 & 98 but nobody really followed suit.

Actually, you couldn't be more wrong. In 1999, 3 Valley schools made the NCAA's and it pretty much became a multi-bid mainstay from then until 2007.

Interestingly, Illinois State fans and coaches that are displaying their peacock feathers the proudest, and yet they have the longest NCAA Tournament drought minus newcomer Loyola.

[mathewson10]

Yeah I said the same thing in 97 & 98 but nobody really followed suit.

Actually, you couldn't be more wrong. In 1999, 3 Valley schools made the NCAA's and it pretty much became a multi-bid mainstay from then until 2007.

Interestingly, Illinois State fans and coaches that are displaying their peacock feathers the proudest, and yet they have the longest NCAA Tournament drought minus newcomer Loyola.

Actually, I am not wrong. Well, I guess it depends on your view point of success. That's great that the conference was on the rise for a few years & if you are comfortable for settling for "No, we used to be good... a little." But I have higher expectations for the conference. I prefer that we have long term success that makes the conference a basketball mainstay. I want other conferences to fear our conference & 3+ teams making it to the tourney every year.

[Aargh]

It's going to be mighty tough for more than 3 Valley teams to have winning records in conference play.

I think the top end could end up looking like

1. WSU (16-2)
2. UNI (14-4)
3. MSU (10-8)

Pretty much everybody not named UNI or WSU is going to have 4 losses just from playing UNI and WSU twice. I didn't say everybody and I expect there will be some surprises, but not many. Past WSU and UNI, there is so much parity from 3 through 6 or 7, that cannibalism will be out in full force. Add 4 road losses to the 4 losses to WSU and UNI and there's 8 losses. You know that the bottom 3 or 4 wll find ways to win some surprise games against the middle of the pack.

And that's the road map to 9 losses for the middle of the pack..

Illinois State has a great potential to be this year's rpi disaster for the league. With all the new players, IlSU is likely to stink up the court in non-con and start figuring it out about the time league play rolls around. Lots of potential talent at IlSU, but I've seen what Muller did with Jackie Carmichael, and he had proven, not potential, talent.

[mathewson10]

You may say I'm a dreamer... but (hopefully) I'm not the only one.

[Grons]

Matthew...you aren't the only one...trust me. This board seems to be riddled with people that are giving ISU zero chance to win the Valley (or even be top 3). That's fine because confidence given by MVCfans doesn't help ISU (or any team for that matter) win more games.

I think UNI needs to calm down a bit, they didn't win anything last year besides first loser. UNI fans need to understand that we are not intimidated by their them, nor are our players. You have some solid players in Tuttle and Washpun...and I like your transfer from Virginia. I wish you the best of luck but if you are penciling yourself in as the only contender to WSU, you have another thing coming.

WSU, I see your backcourt.... and it's among the best in the nation. I love FVV. Watched him when he was in high school, the guy is league bound. Baker always delivers that dagger and is a solid ball player. Cotton too. You did lose Cleanthony Early though...I saw him on TV last night playing for the New York Knicks. It will be interesting to see how you replace that production. Every team in the MVC better respect WSU, and most teams will fear WSU. Crowing them MVC champs before the season starts? Not from this guy.

I wish you all the best of luck this upcoming season.

[valleychamp]

I feel lessoned that Gron is not intimidated by me or the UNI players.

[BTbird]

Illinois State has a great potential to be this year's rpi disaster for the league. With all the new players, IlSU is likely to stink up the court in non-con and start figuring it out about the time league play rolls around. Lots of potential talent at IlSU, but I've seen what Muller did with Jackie Carmichael, and he had proven, not potential, talent.

ISU returns 4 of 5 starters and have a couple of subs returning as well.

Can you fill us in on what Muller did with Jackie Carmichael? He was a first team MVC player the year Muller coached him.

[mathewson10]

Illinois State has a great potential to be this year's rpi disaster for the league. With all the new players, IlSU is likely to stink up the court in non-con and start figuring it out about the time league play rolls around. Lots of potential talent at IlSU, but I've seen what Muller did with Jackie Carmichael, and he had proven, not potential, talent.

ISU returns 4 of 5 starters and have a couple of subs returning as well.

Can you fill us in on what Muller did with Jackie Carmichael? He was a first team MVC player the year Muller coached him.

[Rollbird5]

Illinois State has a great potential to be this year's rpi disaster for the league. With all the new players, IlSU is likely to stink up the court in non-con and start figuring it out about the time league play rolls around. Lots of potential talent at IlSU, but I've seen what Muller did with Jackie Carmichael, and he had proven, not potential, talent.

ISU returns 4 of 5 starters and have a couple of subs returning as well.

Can you fill us in on what Muller did with Jackie Carmichael? He was a first team MVC player the year Muller coached him.

When we lost Nic Moore the point guards we had (keane and Hill) were basically complete non-factors on offense, really bad 3 point shooters. Thus whoever guarded them would just go double team Jackie whenever he got the ball. Jackie still had a very good year and was projected an early 2nd round draft pick and as high as late first round by I believe it was fran frascilla. Obviously that didn't pan out as many teams just draft and stash european players in 2nd round. This team as a whole this year is better than the team we had in 12-13 I believe. The only thing your missing is a guy like tyler brown who could go off for 30 any given night.