Coach of the Year

[Wufan]

I don't like Lansing for COY unless they finish top 3 and LUC doesn't.

Moser is my COY if they can finish in the top three.

Jacobson if UNI finishes in the top 2 and they have a significant lead over LUC and are close to WSU.

Marshall gets it WSU is undefeated or if they win the Valley by 4+ games.

[rlh04d]

Lansing went 4-8 against a bad SOS out of conference. That is on the coach every bit as much as the start in conference. There's almost no possible record he could have in conference short of winning it where I'd put him as COY. More likely, ISUb will lose a lot of games coming up, but finish in the top half, and have had a successful year.

I'm with Wufan.

[bleach]

I don't think there is much debate that Marshall is the best coach. That is not what the award if for though. If you return 5 guys that have started at some time, are picked unanimously (Muller doesn't count) to win, and look more vulnerable than the previous year, it wouldn't scream your case.

Ben is doing a great job this year and has really improved his team from last year. He does have a Senior laden team that was picked high though.

Lansing and Moser both have teams overperforming from what was expected and Loyola is insanely overperforming.

My vote is for Lusk.....he realy needs something to go his way this year.

[rlh04d]

I don't think there is much debate that Marshall is the best coach. That is not what the award if for though.

The award isn't for awarding the best coach?

That's an odd way to determine Coach of the Year. "Coach that Overperformed The Most Relative to Expectations" doesn't quite roll off the tongue.

I still don't think Lansing is in that category -- that's clearly Moser. Unless you're counting expectations after Lansing had coached his team into a terrible 4-8 hole, because the expectations prior to the season weren't bad.

[PantherSigEp]

I don't think there is much debate that Marshall is the best coach. That is not what the award if for though.

The award isn't for awarding the best coach?

That's an odd way to determine Coach of the Year. "Coach that Overperformed The Most Relative to Expectations" doesn't quite roll off the tongue.

I still don't think Lansing is in that category -- that's clearly Moser. Unless you're counting expectations after Lansing had coached his team into a terrible 4-8 hole, because the expectations prior to the season weren't bad.

The point he's making is that if you just looked at coaching ability rather than results why would anyone besides Coach K or Roy Williams ever win COY in the ACC?

I kinda see the case for Lansing but how do you go 4-8 in the non-con and someone get considered for he award? Sure they needed time to "gel" but c'mon.

[rlh04d]

I don't think there is much debate that Marshall is the best coach. That is not what the award if for though.

The award isn't for awarding the best coach?

That's an odd way to determine Coach of the Year. "Coach that Overperformed The Most Relative to Expectations" doesn't quite roll off the tongue.

I still don't think Lansing is in that category -- that's clearly Moser. Unless you're counting expectations after Lansing had coached his team into a terrible 4-8 hole, because the expectations prior to the season weren't bad.

The point he's making is that if you just looked at coaching ability rather than results why would anyone besides Coach K or Roy Williams ever win COY in the ACC?

I kinda see the case for Lansing but how do you go 4-8 in the non-con and someone get considered for he award? Sure they needed time to "gel" but c'mon.

I understand, but once you're up to the level of Hall of Famer, you pretty much stop winning those kind of awards. Would you believe Coach K hasn't won the ACC Coach of the Year award since 2000? It's also worth noting that the ACC Coach of the Year award pretty much exclusively goes to the coach that finishes first in the conference regular season or wins the tournament, as long as that coach isn't at Duke.

As for the Valley specifically, the point he's making is wrong ... the Coach of the Year is not treated as a "relative to expectations" award in the Valley. Since 1997-98, no coach has won the award finishing worse than second in the Valley regular season, and that has only happened twice: Dana at Creighton in 2002 (1 GB), and Marshall in 2013 (1 GB). Dana's Creighton team won Arch Madness that year, while Marshall's WSU team lost to Creighton in the finals -- personally, I doubt Marshall would have won that award over McDermott if Creighton wasn't leaving. It was more common to be more "rewarding" with the award in the past ... Tates Locke won the award in 91 with a 5th place team, Rudy Washington did the same in 93, and Eldon Miller won with a 4th place team in 97.

So based on the last 17 Coach of the Year awards, the award doesn't go to anyone further back than one game behind the conference winner. Which would pretty well limit this year to Marshall or Jacobson. Basically, the award tends to just default to the regular season winner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_V ... f_the_Year

[bleach]

If Marshall had to replace 4 or 5 starters and was doing what he is this year that would be a great coaching job THIS YEAR. The award is for who did the most impressive job of coaching THIS YEAR. As is, His team would be a failure THIS YEAR if they do any less than win the conference title going away. Marshall is in my opinion the best coach in the league by a LOT (I think a lot of Jacobson). The award is not for the best coach but for who did the most impressive job. Marshall could still win it this year if they play great and no one else does a superior job. I would say to this point what Moser has done is more impressive than what Marshall has done THIS YEAR. I wouldn't think of hiring Porter over Gregg though.

[bleach]

So based on the last 17 Coach of the Year awards, the award doesn't go to anyone further back than one game behind the conference winner. Which would pretty well limit this year to Marshall or Jacobson. Basically, the award tends to just default to the regular season winner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_V ... f_the_Year

Most years the coach that did the best job that year would be the coach that got first or second. I would think that IF a team that was picked as a dead lock for the playin round finished 3rd or 4th they would be hard to keep from the award.

[PantherSigEp]

I would love to look back on some threads from last year about Loyola. If I remember correctly Porter Moser was quite the punching bag. I'm still not sold on him. But the turnaround the Ramblers have made is fairly impressive.

[Wufan]

If Marshall had to replace 4 or 5 starters and was doing what he is this year that would be a great coaching job THIS YEAR. The award is for who did the most impressive job of coaching THIS YEAR. As is, His team would be a failure THIS YEAR if they do any less than win the conference title going away. Marshall is in my opinion the best coach in the league by a LOT (I think a lot of Jacobson). The award is not for the best coach but for who did the most impressive job. Marshall could still win it this year if they play great and no one else does a superior job. I would say to this point what Moser has done is more impressive than what Marshall has done THIS YEAR. I wouldn't think of hiring Porter over Gregg though.

I'm not arguing any of your points, but WSU only returned 5 players and three starters from last year's team. They lost a player that was first team all-con, second team AA, and is now in the NBA. It would be ironic if Fred, Ron, and Tekele (all players Marshall recruited to WSU out of high school) are just SOOOOO good that Marshall doesn't win the award.