#12 Wichita State @ #18 Northern Iowa, 3 PM Saturday, ESPN2

[PantherSigEp]

Definitely accidental contact and the moment he touches Baker he spins the other way in order to avoid further contact, which is why he "spun around like a stripper" as some Shoker fans so eloquently put it. I think the officials knew you couldn't make much of a case for a dangerous play or hanging on the rim for showmanship.

[SHOXMVC]

No issue on the dunk. What ups for a small.

[Kyle]

There was some flopping going on by both teams on Saturday, but the biggest flop BY FAR was by Evan Wessel drawing a charge against Deon Mitchel as he drove into the lane.

Deon did everything he could to avoid contact and barley caught the edge of Wessel's shoulder. Evan fell backwards like an atomic bomb just exploded on his chest.

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No issue on the dunk. What ups for a small.

Yes. My favorite Gary Rima-ism for Wes is something like, "Wes just popped up out of the toaster for another rebound!"

For whoever said Wes flopped after being hit by Baker, you have to take a good look at those two. I just checked and I see that Wes is listed at 175, but somehow, I doubt that. I thought it was a charge.
Surely, I have no bias. To prove that, if you want to see a flop - and a really good one - check out Wes's fall against Iowa. I don't know if it's still on ESPN.

[SHOXMVC]

No issue on the dunk. What ups for a small.

Yes. My favorite Gary Rima-ism for Wes is something like, "Wes just popped up out of the toaster for another rebound!"

For whoever said Wes flopped after being hit by Baker, you have to take a good look at those two. I just checked and I see that Wes is listed at 175, but somehow, I doubt that. I thought it was a charge.
Surely, I have no bias. To prove that, if you want to see a flop - and a really good one - check out Wes's fall against Iowa. I don't know if it's still on ESPN.

I really like the kid.

I have been the target of a couple of UNI posters that can't seem to grasp the reputation of UNI being the flop school. There really isn't a argument to the contrary. Just ask fans in general at the other nine member institutions. Having said that, I didn't think Wes flopped at all during the game that I saw. He doesn't have to because he has the talent to play defense the way it should be played.

[UNIFanSince1983]

I don't understand why it is called a flop when someone gets in the correct position and takes a charge.

I understand pretty much every other school thinks we are a group of floppers, but I don't see how good rotation and helping on a driving player by getting set in position is considered a flop.

There are times when we have players who barley get touched and go down, but so does every other team. Heck Mock did it against Tuttle at least twice. Other coaches don't play defense the way UNI does with heavy reliance on rotations. This does not lead to players being in position to take charges as much. So I guess I can see why we are perceived that way. I really think if people took an objective look (and even I could do the same) would realize all teams flop pretty equally.

Now as for Tuttle. He does do the ole elbow around hook quite a bit, and very rarely gets it called. I noticed at least once in the WSU game where he got away with what should have been an offensive foul. I just don't see why it is on Tuttle. If the refs don't call something why would you stop doing it? This should be on the refs and not on Tuttle. If they call it he either learns to adapt to it or he just fouls out without being very effective. Of course you would probably see big men foul out way more than they already do if all the offensive fouls on post players were called the way they should be.

[SHOXMVC]

I don't understand why it is called a flop when someone gets in the correct position and takes a charge. There are times when we have players who barley get touched and go down, but so does every other team.

Go watch the 15:55 mark of the first half. Morgan tried to slide in front of Baker, but he was late. Very small contact and you would have thought the American Sniper just shot Morgan. Come on man. That is exactly the types of plays that UNI is known for. And no, not every other team does it AS OFTEN as UNI. Thus the reputation.

Your second paragraph I totally agree with. Unless the refs start calling it, don't change what he's doing.

[Kyle]

No issue on the dunk. What ups for a small.

Yes. My favorite Gary Rima-ism for Wes is something like, "Wes just popped up out of the toaster for another rebound!"

For whoever said Wes flopped after being hit by Baker, you have to take a good look at those two. I just checked and I see that Wes is listed at 175, but somehow, I doubt that. I thought it was a charge.
Surely, I have no bias. To prove that, if you want to see a flop - and a really good one - check out Wes's fall against Iowa. I don't know if it's still on ESPN.

I really like the kid.

I have been the target of a couple of UNI posters that can't seem to grasp the reputation of UNI being the flop school. There really isn't a argument to the contrary. Just ask fans in general at the other nine member institutions. Having said that, I didn't think Wes flopped at all during the game that I saw. He doesn't have to because he has the talent to play defense the way it should be played.

Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.

WSU has the reputation of being a glorified community college with far more relaxed academic requirements than almost every other MVC school. You are claiming if I can get fans from the other 9 programs to corroborate this reputation it magically transforms it into the truth and an argument to the contrary cannot exist?

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I don't understand why it is called a flop when someone gets in the correct position and takes a charge.
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To be fair, flops do exist. When an offensive foul occurs, the moment of impact should be what causes the defensive player to accelerate backwards. If you watch it slo-mo and it goes: Impact...nothing...player flies backward to the floor, then it is a flop. If you watch this, you'll see some hilarious examples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hofst6YUktQ

On the other hand, if you're in good defensive position and the ball handler drives into you, you cannot move your feet to recover and avoid a fall. You have to fall back or you will be called for blocking. So, surely in a defensive positioning system there becomes a mindset of falling. But that isn't flopping.

No doubt UNI gets more charges called than most teams. Defensive positioning is the point! If you drive to the basket and UNI helps properly, you'll end up running over someone you didn't see. Charge. That's the point. This is probably highly frustrating to teams that are accustomed to fast offenses and blowing by teams. That frustration often leads to "Well, they must just be flopping."

I also think that MANY viewers have not seen this type of defense enough to even recognize what is happening. We play chess on the floor so that teams get charging fouls. And we do it successfully. If you understand what to watch for, you'll see it. I'm not saying you WSU fans can't see it; you have more experience with UNI defense than most teams outside the MVC. But it is weird and most people just don't watch defensive players moving away from the ball. On an Iowa board, a poster actually said that Morgan disappeared in the WSU game. Duh. It's called defense that he was playing - might want to investigate what that is...

I didn't see anything I thought was a flop. It's tough to tell. The only call I thought was wrong was Tuttle, completely still, was called for a block one time. I thought that should have been a charge.

[DUShock]

Nice win Panthers, you were the better team this game. Sorry for my delayed kudos, I am out with the stomach flu. The Shocks will get you at the Roundhouse.

Go Valley!

Go Shocks!