Would you let Marty finish the season?

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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby RoyalShock » February 11th, 2015, 11:51 am

rlh04d wrote:
Cdizzle wrote:Perhaps the question then is less about money, and more about expectations.

Assuming a budgetary restriction of say $350k

If I told you that you could have a coach that was guaranteed of finishing between 3-7th in the Valley every single year for 25 years would you take it?

Or would you gamble that you might have a lot of REALLY crappy seasons but a CHANCE at a league championship and an NCAA tournament appearance sometime in a 25 year period?

Oh, I'd fire him in a heartbeat, personally. But from a WSU fan perspective, I'd rather have Marty than have Evansville take a crazy gamble and plummet to a 300+ RPI. I don't think he's a good coach, but I also think he's only been above a 200 RPI twice, and never higher than 250, right? Granted my motivation is different from theirs >=)

I feel bad for Evansville looking around at what coaches are legitimately available in that price range. Even Stephen F. Austin pays $400k to Underwood. It's borderline impossible to find a proven coach at that range who isn't a lifer at their current school, completely outside of their geographical area, or 60+. Or hanging around hoping Duke's going to tap him as Coach K's successor (Amaker). I wonder what Hoffman makes at Mercer ... although his current contract runs through 2021, so that's likely off the table. Louisiana Tech pays White over $600k.

Here's some guys I'd look at: Brett Reed (Lehigh, ~$250), Anthony Evans (FIU, $225k through 2018), Dave Paulsen (Bucknell, $167k in 2011, extension since then runs through 2018), Reggie Witherspoon (Ast. @Alabama, formerly Buffalo, probably peanuts while he lets Buffalo keep paying him), Will Brown (Albany, ~$250k through 2018), Randy Rahe (Weber St, $175k + 100k annual bonus).

Randy Rahe would be a good name at Evansville. He's had great success at Weber St. (64%, two NCAA appearances in seven years, dominated the Big Sky), isn't tied to the university for life, is from Iowa (close enough), relatively young (54), and makes $275k a year. Offer him $350k with good incentives and a roster that has Mock and DJ next year and maybe they could get him. If not him, Witherspoon is probably chomping at the bit to get back into a HC job.

That same list probably applies for Bradley, SIU, and MoSt as well.


I know Rahe's associate HC at Weber St, and I'm not sure I've met a man with more integrity. He's been with Rahe at Weber for at least seven years, which in my book would be a huge endorsement of the guy as a quality coach and person. They are the guys who recruited and coached Damian Liliard.
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby Drakey » February 11th, 2015, 1:35 pm

Keno Davis' Central Michigan team is currently 17-5 in his third season. It is still possible he might establish that he can coach.
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby rlh04d » February 11th, 2015, 7:20 pm

RoyalShock wrote:I know Rahe's associate HC at Weber St, and I'm not sure I've met a man with more integrity. He's been with Rahe at Weber for at least seven years, which in my book would be a huge endorsement of the guy as a quality coach and person. They are the guys who recruited and coached Damian Liliard.

Rahe's one of the most "Marshall-like" coaches in the country that I've seen at this point as a potential hire for any Valley team.
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby UE-grad » February 22nd, 2015, 4:58 pm

Two points after the latest embarrassment...

1 - I guess Marty didn't get the memo that Baker and FVV can shoot the 3
2 - The announcers picking up that Marty calls a play and Baker relays it to his team.

Who needs change? No reason to do anything different. I'd sign him to a multi-year extension, lock him down now. :huh:
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby RoyalShock » February 23rd, 2015, 9:04 am

UE-grad wrote:Two points after the latest embarrassment...

1 - I guess Marty didn't get the memo that Baker and FVV can shoot the 3
2 - The announcers picking up that Marty calls a play and Baker relays it to his team.

Who needs change? No reason to do anything different. I'd sign him to a multi-year extension, lock him down now. :huh:


Ron was stealing signs?

I guess you can take the kid off the infield but you can't take the infield off the kid.

That makes it sound like Ron doesn't shower. Not my intention at all.
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby bryce » February 25th, 2015, 10:15 pm

Its not Marty's fault, the players just are not smart enough to follow his genius game plan. All except that #50 kid, though he can't shoot, rebound or play defense he understands the game plan!
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby BCPanther » February 26th, 2015, 7:51 am

Marty's plan was absolutely fine last night. They actually did a pretty good job on Tuttle. There was just no way that UE or anybody else was winning in Cedar Falls.

And don't rag on his kid, he's pretty obviously the third best player on the team and he does a really nice job in a bunch of different aspects.
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby uniftw » February 26th, 2015, 8:15 am

BCPanther wrote:Marty's plan was absolutely fine last night. They actually did a pretty good job on Tuttle. There was just no way that UE or anybody else was winning in Cedar Falls.

And don't rag on his kid, he's pretty obviously the third best player on the team and he does a really nice job in a bunch of different aspects.

The defense they played in stretches last night was pretty good...if not borderline assault on Tuttle. It wasn't being called so kudos to Evansville for going with it.

The quality of player just started to show through. Mock and DJ are good players, but the rest of that team is not MVC caliber. OVC of Horizon? Sure.
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby ACECARD » February 26th, 2015, 11:23 am

uniftw wrote:
BCPanther wrote:Marty's plan was absolutely fine last night. They actually did a pretty good job on Tuttle. There was just no way that UE or anybody else was winning in Cedar Falls.

And don't rag on his kid, he's pretty obviously the third best player on the team and he does a really nice job in a bunch of different aspects.

The defense they played in stretches last night was pretty good...if not borderline assault on Tuttle. It wasn't being called so kudos to Evansville for going with it.

The quality of player just started to show through. Mock and DJ are good players, but the rest of that team is not MVC caliber. OVC of Horizon? Sure.

Can't argue with that. It takes more than one, or two, players to win in the Valley. Come on all you Cubs fans,'WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR'.
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby UE-grad » February 26th, 2015, 12:42 pm

BCPanther wrote:Marty's plan was absolutely fine last night. They actually did a pretty good job on Tuttle. There was just no way that UE or anybody else was winning in Cedar Falls.

And don't rag on his kid, he's pretty obviously the third best player on the team and he does a really nice job in a bunch of different aspects.


I don't think his plan of leaving 3 point shooters wide open had anything to do with the job Moc & Moore (had one block) did against Tuttle. How many times did the attempted double in the paint actually get to Tuttle? Most of the time the double never happened as the ball was kicked as soon as the perimeter shooter was left alone.

The plan should have been to play one on one on Tuttle (maybe with a little help from the other post) and stayed on the shooters.

OR play a 3-2 zone so the perimeter was covered all the time.

The other issue is the spacing on the ACES offense, there is no room in the middle for another person. I hope Marty took note of the Panther's spacing, especially in the second half, many times there wasn't a man INSIDE the 3 point arc unless he was cutting. Even at that moment it was only 1, not 4 like UE has within 3 feet of the lane at all times.
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