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Re: CBS: MVC looking at Missouri-Kansas City

Postby KC MVC FAN » April 1st, 2013, 8:41 pm

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You play in a 1,500 seat gym and can't even sell that out.


I said UMKC plays in Municipal Auditrorium. I mis-named it. It is Municipal Auditorium and BB is played in the 7500 seat Arena (called the Municipal). The Auditorium also contains a 2500 seat Music Hall. Municipal was built in the early 1930 and can not be replicated today--to costly. A beautiful faclity.

I remember laying on my living room floor and listening to the radio broadcasts from Municipal of the SMS (now MSU) Bears win the 1952 and 1953 N.A.I.B (now the NAIA) National Championships---followed by a 3rd place finish in 1954. Don't remember if it was the 52 or 53 semifinal game that the Bears Beat Indiana State with only 4 players on the floor (started the tournament with 10--2 called to spring training with the NY Yankess and left early, and 4 SMS players fouled out). Played the last 4 or so minutes with one starter and three end of the bench subs. Will never forget the radio announcer screaming into the mike to be heard over the crowd---especially rember his yelling "O my god, someone just fell out of the balcony ." A great victory.
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Re: CBS: MVC looking at Missouri-Kansas City

Postby rlh04d » April 1st, 2013, 8:46 pm

And how many people are attending their games at Municipal Auditorium?

How much of that 7500 seat stadium is empty?
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Re: CBS: MVC looking at Missouri-Kansas City

Postby lurkingdog » April 1st, 2013, 8:51 pm

KC MVC FAN wrote:[
It is Municipal Auditorium and BB is played in the 7500 seat Arena (called the Municipal).


Plus temporary seats at floor level...brings capacity to just over 10k. Ideal for a winning mid-major team.
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Re: CBS: MVC looking at Missouri-Kansas City

Postby lurkingdog » April 1st, 2013, 8:52 pm

m-v-c wrote:It seems very clear that media market is going to play a big role in this. All four of those schools mentioned are in a big market (Valparaiso is just outside Chicago). That would explain why looking at UMKC...honestly, do think it is a school that could be a sleeping giant. They'll be back at Municipal Auditorium (historic building, good-sized), KC is a huge college basketball town (or at least tournament town) and if they could win, think they could draw fans. It would be close to WSU, and do think UMKC would be elevated considerably by the MVC. All that said...just not the right timing, don't need a building project for a 10th member. And think the MVC will realize that.

Wouldn't be surprised if the pick is Loyola. Just a guess, but think the MVC really would like to be in Chicago. Not sure if would agree-they play in a new on-campus arena, but it's still small, and haven't really shown that they're even as committed to basketball as MVC schools are. Loyola could grab some of the Chicago market if it could become nationally relevant (since DePaul certainly isn't doing that right now), but personally think they're a stretch. And would say the same about all four of those schools...none of them are going to increase the league's overall strength. Valpo has a little bit of recent basketball history, but can't make these decisions based on results from the last year or three-they lose 7 seniors and could be near bottom of Horizon League next year. It may entirely be a case where the MVC is best waiting this out a year.


:+1:

I would like to see the Valley take a home run hitter. Valpo does not fit that description. Neither does Loyola, although I love their history. UIC is not what I have in mind.

UMKC might have that potential. Someday. Not now.

Sticking with 9 members for a year or two, maybe they could temporarily eliminate the Arch Madness play-in round. Have the #9 team stay home?
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Re: CBS: MVC looking at Missouri-Kansas City

Postby Ali » April 2nd, 2013, 7:36 am

The Dakota schools have the deepest pockets and strong fan bases. These other schools being mentioned are just pretenders who we'll end up supporting entirely up before too long.
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Re: CBS: MVC looking at Missouri-Kansas City

Postby Shocktop42 » April 2nd, 2013, 8:02 am

Ali wrote:The Dakota schools have the deepest pockets and strong fan bases. These other schools being mentioned are just pretenders who we'll end up supporting entirely up before too long.

:+1: Those are the only regional schools that really have the opportunity to grow into something really good.
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Re: CBS: MVC looking at Missouri-Kansas City

Postby Chuck A » April 2nd, 2013, 9:08 am

Ali wrote:The Dakota schools have the deepest pockets and strong fan bases. These other schools being mentioned are just pretenders who we'll end up supporting entirely up before too long.


It's amazing how much hubris you guys have concerning your place in the grand land of Conferences. Granted, the Valley is a perennial top ten conference, but come on...you'll end up supporting us "pretenders" entirely?

Okay when UIC hired Jimmy Collins back in '96, it seemed like a good move, but it was more PR than anything. Collins was a great recruiter, but a not-so-good x's and o's coach. In his 14 years here (he retired in 2010) UIC went to the Dance 3 times ('98, '02, and '04) and the NIT once ('03). JC was indeed a great recruiter. During the time he was here we had arguably the best talent in the league (yes, even better than Butler and Milwaukee), but he just couldn't coach. Then came problems with the type of players he began to bring in. We had guys with issues and maladjusted backgrounds and the higher-ups just got fed up.

Howard Moore was hired in AUGUST OF 2010! It was too late in the recruiting period to get "quality" players so he had to rush and get JC transfers and players he wouldn't normally recruit. And he kept some of Collins' players. With the bringing in of Coach Howard Moore, the culture and type of player has changed at UIC. Moore is a much better Coach...across the board, than Jimmy Collins ever was. His staff is better as well. This past season we won 18 games (a ten game improvement over the previous season).

We have donors, private supporters and rental properties that support us (along with tuition and fees), although it would be great to still be in the MVC.

This program is on an upward keel and will be the program of Chicago!
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Re: CBS: MVC looking at Missouri-Kansas City

Postby IllinoisState » April 2nd, 2013, 9:56 am

One thing that I am worried about is that every team that has been talked about having a real chance of being added would be dead last in terms of basketball attendance.
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Re: CBS: MVC looking at Missouri-Kansas City

Postby Shocktop42 » April 2nd, 2013, 11:12 am

IllinoisState wrote:One thing that I am worried about is that every team that has been talked about having a real chance of being added would be dead last in terms of basketball attendance.


what does attendance have to do with anything? Gonzaga gets about 6k per game. The real gauge is how much fan support they get not just tickets sold.

Also, for the teams that have been discussed, attendance would rise when better competition comes to town. You think that Valpo wouldn't start selling out their gym when MVC teams come to town?
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Re: CBS: MVC looking at Missouri-Kansas City

Postby IllinoisState » April 2nd, 2013, 11:43 am

Shocktop42 wrote:
IllinoisState wrote:One thing that I am worried about is that every team that has been talked about having a real chance of being added would be dead last in terms of basketball attendance.


what does attendance have to do with anything? Gonzaga gets about 6k per game. The real gauge is how much fan support they get not just tickets sold.

Also, for the teams that have been discussed, attendance would rise when better competition comes to town. You think that Valpo wouldn't start selling out their gym when MVC teams come to town?


I don't doubt that the attendance will go up, but by how much? If we were to get Loyola they only get ~2,500 a game. Even if they were to double they would still be right at the bottom but I don't see that happening. I also see higher attendance getting us a real TV deal.
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