Who wins in St. Louis

[BirdsEyeView]

I've only watched 5-6 UNI games this year, but i don't know if i'd necessarily say that you have to play 25 seconds in defensive stance against them. They pass the ball around the top of the key until under 10 seconds and seems like 50% of the time, a 3 is shot.

Exactly. There is a reason they can play 6 or 7 total players and not be fatigued as well.

I would much rather guard or attack a small amount of space (half court offense/defense) for longer periods than sprint up and down the floor for 40 minutes a game in a run and gun shootout. The former is not as tiring.

[BirdsEyeView]

I am a Illinois State fan and I voted for UNI. I just have a feeling that Ben Jacobson is going to have them peaking at the right time. Has he lost in St. Louis - sure he has, every coach has. Does he have the best team - nope, 3rd best. I absolutely hate UNI, and I hope I am dead wrong, but Wichita State and Illinois State aren't unbeatable. The Panthers have been good lately, just as good as WSU/ISU. Might not win by as much as those two are, but they are getting it done and gaining confidence.

As an ISU fan, I really want them to finish this out 17-1, because the last thing I want to see is UNI across from them on Saturday(so long as they make it to Saturday, nothing is ever guaranteed). I am sure Wichita State fans are thinking the exact same thing...and Gregg Marshall teams have always had a bit of trouble on Saturday in St. Louis...even when they are heavily favored. If any coach can get a team ready to play one of those two teams, Jacobson has showed he can.

You and I could not think more differently on this across the board. I know what UNI is.

Too much of their past history is being played into these perceptions of UNI. They are not last year's UNI. Just put McIntosh on the floor against them and we win by 15-20.

[BirdsEyeView]

Running up and down the floor is approximately 1000% easier physically than being in a defensive stance for 25 seconds on every defensive possession and having to work like crazy to get open on every offensive possession.

Have you ran up and down the floor lately?? Ever done suicides?

[Cdizzle]

The Panthers have been good lately, just as good as WSU/ISU.

Umm. No. I mean, just watching the teams play says 'no'. And so does ISU beating UNI without that much trouble, sans McIntosh.

[Redbirds4Life]

I am a Illinois State fan and I voted for UNI. I just have a feeling that Ben Jacobson is going to have them peaking at the right time. Has he lost in St. Louis - sure he has, every coach has. Does he have the best team - nope, 3rd best. I absolutely hate UNI, and I hope I am dead wrong, but Wichita State and Illinois State aren't unbeatable. The Panthers have been good lately, just as good as WSU/ISU. Might not win by as much as those two are, but they are getting it done and gaining confidence.

As an ISU fan, I really want them to finish this out 17-1, because the last thing I want to see is UNI across from them on Saturday(so long as they make it to Saturday, nothing is ever guaranteed). I am sure Wichita State fans are thinking the exact same thing...and Gregg Marshall teams have always had a bit of trouble on Saturday in St. Louis...even when they are heavily favored. If any coach can get a team ready to play one of those two teams, Jacobson has showed he can.

You and I could not think more differently on this across the board. I know what UNI is.

Too much of their past history is being played into these perceptions of UNI. They are not last year's UNI. Just put McIntosh on the floor against them and we win by 15-20.

Well McIntosh will be in there against them in a couple weeks, I hope you are right. I hope ISU goes into their place and beats them easily.

And yes, past history goes into this because their coach is pretty damn good. I get the team isn't as good as last year, but you act like they are totally useless and can't beat either of the top 2. I have seen basically every ISU game this year and even when McIntosh played, they still did a lot of "ISU" things...

[Stickboy46]

The Panthers have been good lately, just as good as WSU/ISU.

Umm. No. I mean, just watching the teams play says 'no'. And so does ISU beating UNI without that much trouble, sans McIntosh.

This .. UNI is the best of the bottom of the league. They aren't close to being as good as ISU, let alone WSU. WSU is peaking right now. ISU is battling out wins (and still blowing some out) without one of their best players. We are having a discussion about a team that is squeaking out wins against 150+ competition. Several of them were gifted and very few were more than a couple of possession games. As said earlier by someone else. They are NOT last years UNI. Last year's UNI had wins over REALLY good competition. UNI hasn't proven they can beat anyone better than about 130 in the RPI.

[BirdsEyeView]

I am a Illinois State fan and I voted for UNI. I just have a feeling that Ben Jacobson is going to have them peaking at the right time. Has he lost in St. Louis - sure he has, every coach has. Does he have the best team - nope, 3rd best. I absolutely hate UNI, and I hope I am dead wrong, but Wichita State and Illinois State aren't unbeatable. The Panthers have been good lately, just as good as WSU/ISU. Might not win by as much as those two are, but they are getting it done and gaining confidence.

As an ISU fan, I really want them to finish this out 17-1, because the last thing I want to see is UNI across from them on Saturday(so long as they make it to Saturday, nothing is ever guaranteed). I am sure Wichita State fans are thinking the exact same thing...and Gregg Marshall teams have always had a bit of trouble on Saturday in St. Louis...even when they are heavily favored. If any coach can get a team ready to play one of those two teams, Jacobson has showed he can.

You and I could not think more differently on this across the board. I know what UNI is.

Too much of their past history is being played into these perceptions of UNI. They are not last year's UNI. Just put McIntosh on the floor against them and we win by 15-20.

Well McIntosh will be in there against them in a couple weeks, I hope you are right. I hope ISU goes into their place and beats them easily.

And yes, past history goes into this because their coach is pretty damn good. I get the team isn't as good as last year, but you act like they are totally useless and can't beat either of the top 2. I have seen basically every ISU game this year and even when McIntosh played, they still did a lot of "ISU" things...

Your ability to assess is very much lacking. That, or you haven't watched UNI play much and are just guessing off past experiences.

At full strength, we are much better than them. Besides, I'm not even talking about what happens at UNI...this convo was about Arch Madness.

If I had to rank teams I would want ISUr to play at Arch Madness (first) it would go like this:

1. Bradley
2. Drake
3. Evansville
4. Indy St.
5. SIU
6. UNI
7. Missouri St.
8. Loyola
9. Wichita State

And, honestly, at full strength, nobody scares me until WSU in the finals.

[Redbirds4Life]

Your ability to assess is very much lacking. That, or you haven't watched UNI play much and are just guessing off past experiences.

At full strength, we are much better than them. Besides, I'm not even talking about what happens at UNI...this convo was about Arch Madness.

If I had to rank teams I would want ISUr to play at Arch Madness (first) it would go like this:

1. Bradley
2. Drake
3. Evansville
4. Indy St.
5. SIU
6. UNI
7. Missouri St.
8. Loyola
9. Wichita State

And, honestly, at full strength, nobody scares me until WSU in the finals.

I think you are living in La La Land if you think that Loyola and Missouri State would be tougher than UNI...

[BirdsEyeView]

Your ability to assess is very much lacking. That, or you haven't watched UNI play much and are just guessing off past experiences.

At full strength, we are much better than them. Besides, I'm not even talking about what happens at UNI...this convo was about Arch Madness.

If I had to rank teams I would want ISUr to play at Arch Madness (first) it would go like this:

1. Bradley
2. Drake
3. Evansville
4. Indy St.
5. SIU
6. UNI
7. Missouri St.
8. Loyola
9. Wichita State

And, honestly, at full strength, nobody scares me until WSU in the finals.

I think you are living in La La Land if you think that Loyola and Missouri State would be tougher than UNI...

Only because the potential ceiling is much higher for MSU and Loyola. They both have the players to compete and cause us troubles if our offense struggles (both have a more high powered offense than UNI by far).

[Horn28Clem30]

I couldn't agree more. I would much rather see Wichita face UNI in the semis then either Missouri State or Loyola.