Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

[BirdsEyeView]

This talk about football driving the bus is hilarious. We are talking about FCS football here, FCS. The MVC plays D1 basketball. These are two different levels. FCS football should not even be allowed in the bus.

Welcome to the message board. Your contribution right off the bat is noted

As an FYI,

2016 Illinois State Football Home attendance average - 10,157

2016-2017 Illinois State Basketball Home attendance average - 5,824


Just because the level is not FBS does not mean that Football is less of a money maker for the university (and this is only ticket sales...there is sponsorships, tailgaters who pay for parking, group outings, suites, etc.).

Football is and should be a big factor in this.

[squirrel]

One should also be careful when talking about "core members" and conference membership. "Core" membership (a member for a minimum of five years) is a meaningfully defined term by the NCAA and an integral part of maintaining integrity in the autobid system.

For leagues to maintain their autobid:

At least seven schools that are fully-fledged members of Division I This is designed to discourage leagues with multiple reclassifying institutions. It also prevents a block of reclassifying members or an entire league or significant portion thereof moving up and taking an autobid.

At least seven "core" members that have been in Division I for at least eight years This means that an unchangeable block of 7 schools must be a part of the same league (without changing leagues) and be full members of DI for a minimum of 8 years. If your league has 10 members, but one was a member for 7 years and leaves, but another member was also in for a different set of 7 years, you can not swap them out to count to get to 8 years. This is the rule that the Big East seized to maintain the league name and their autobid.

At least six "core" members that have been in the league for five years This means that a league that has seen significant turnover gets a little bit of a break to rebuild and preserve their status.

By this definition, only Loyola would not count as a core member, but after next year they would.

[tribecalledquest]

This talk about football driving the bus is hilarious. We are talking about FCS football here, FCS. The MVC plays D1 basketball. These are two different levels. FCS football should not even be allowed in the bus.

Welcome to the message board. Your contribution right off the bat is noted

As an FYI,

2016 Illinois State Football Home attendance average - 10,157

2016-2017 Illinois State Basketball Home attendance average - 5,824


Just because the level is not FBS does not mean that Football is less of a money maker for the university (and this is only ticket sales...there is sponsorships, tailgaters who pay for parking, group outings, suites, etc.).

Football is and should be a big factor in this.

Total attendance: ISU Football: 60,937, ISU Basketball: 101,035

Basketball 13 scholarships to cover...Football 63 scholarships to cover.

Im not saying football is a total non factor but its not close to being on par with D1 basketball at the MVC level.

[BirdsEyeView]

This talk about football driving the bus is hilarious. We are talking about FCS football here, FCS. The MVC plays D1 basketball. These are two different levels. FCS football should not even be allowed in the bus.

Welcome to the message board. Your contribution right off the bat is noted

As an FYI,

2016 Illinois State Football Home attendance average - 10,157

2016-2017 Illinois State Basketball Home attendance average - 5,824


Just because the level is not FBS does not mean that Football is less of a money maker for the university (and this is only ticket sales...there is sponsorships, tailgaters who pay for parking, group outings, suites, etc.).

Football is and should be a big factor in this.

Total attendance: ISU Football: 60,937, ISU Basketball: 101,035

Basketball 13 scholarships to cover...Football 63 scholarships to cover.

Im not saying football is a total non factor but its not close to being on par with D1 basketball at the MVC level.

Men's Basketball:
http://college-sports.pointafter.com/l/ ... Basketball

vs.

Football:
http://college-sports.pointafter.com/l/ ... y-Football


Much higher revenues in Football

[uniftw]

One should also be careful when talking about "core members" and conference membership. "Core" membership (a member for a minimum of five years) is a meaningfully defined term by the NCAA and an integral part of maintaining integrity in the autobid system.

For leagues to maintain their autobid:

At least seven schools that are fully-fledged members of Division I This is designed to discourage leagues with multiple reclassifying institutions. It also prevents a block of reclassifying members or an entire league or significant portion thereof moving up and taking an autobid.

At least seven "core" members that have been in Division I for at least eight years This means that an unchangeable block of 7 schools must be a part of the same league (without changing leagues) and be full members of DI for a minimum of 8 years. If your league has 10 members, but one was a member for 7 years and leaves, but another member was also in for a different set of 7 years, you can not swap them out to count to get to 8 years. This is the rule that the Big East seized to maintain the league name and their autobid.

At least six "core" members that have been in the league for five years This means that a league that has seen significant turnover gets a little bit of a break to rebuild and preserve their status.

By this definition, only Loyola would not count as a core member, but after next year they would.

Didn't the NCAA get rid of/loosen that rule? Or was that a one time deal for The Summit?

Summit members

WIU - 1982
IUPUI - 2007
IPFW - 2007
NDSU - 2007
SDSU - 2007
USD - 2011
UNO - 2012
UD - 2013
ORU - 2014

[squirrel]

Football controls everything. Period. That hasn't always been the case in the Valley, but that is in the midst of changing, and for its future, it needs to focus more attention on.

As a Bradley person, I don't like it, but I can recognize why it's happening and not live in denial.

[uniftw]

This talk about football driving the bus is hilarious. We are talking about FCS football here, FCS. The MVC plays D1 basketball. These are two different levels. FCS football should not even be allowed in the bus.

Welcome to the message board. Your contribution right off the bat is noted

As an FYI,

2016 Illinois State Football Home attendance average - 10,157

2016-2017 Illinois State Basketball Home attendance average - 5,824


Just because the level is not FBS does not mean that Football is less of a money maker for the university (and this is only ticket sales...there is sponsorships, tailgaters who pay for parking, group outings, suites, etc.).

Football is and should be a big factor in this.

Total attendance: ISU Football: 60,937, ISU Basketball: 101,035

Basketball 13 scholarships to cover...Football 63 scholarships to cover.

Im not saying football is a total non factor but its not close to being on par with D1 basketball at the MVC level.

18 home games vs 6.

Same is true at UNI. We are, at this point, a basketball school. However, UNI FB averages 13-15k every year for football and 4,500-5,000 for basketball.

Outside of maybe a 10-15 programs in the country with both - football drives the bus every where.

Even at those schools (Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, Butler, Villanova, UCONN, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Syracuse...maybe a few others) they base their alignment on football (okay, not Nova or Butler) and the money from football deals.

[tribecalledquest]

At what FCS school (outside of Liberty), does football drive the bus? I don't disagree at the FBS level..but not the FCS level.

[BirdsEyeView]

At what FCS school (outside of Liberty), does football drive the bus? I don't disagree at the FBS level..but not the FCS level.

North Dakota St.
South Dakota St.
Eastern Washington

to name a few

[BirdsEyeView]

Football controls everything. Period. That hasn't always been the case in the Valley, but that is in the midst of changing, and for its future, it needs to focus more attention on.

As a Bradley person, I don't like it, but I can recognize why it's happening and not live in denial.