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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby All-MVC Fan » May 2nd, 2017, 9:56 am

It would be a short-sighted mistake to just add Valpo when a team of the caliber of Murray is excited to come to our league. They should add both. However, I guess that would be out of character for the MVC.

Here's hoping that they do right thing and look to the future. For a change...
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby Stickboy46 » May 2nd, 2017, 9:58 am

Stickboy46 wrote:According to Mark Adams on Twitter. A source confirmed that Valpo will be the one to replace WSU. No additional adds. No vote/invite yet.


Also just posted that MVC coaches meeting commences today/tomorrow.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby Redhawk » May 2nd, 2017, 10:35 am

Stickboy46 wrote:According to Mark Adams on Twitter. A source confirmed that Valpo will be the one to replace WSU. No additional adds. No vote/invite yet.


Very disappointing if that's the case. :huh:
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby Play Angry » May 2nd, 2017, 10:35 am

I never pegged Doug Elgin as someone who would string along a school and humiliate them as badly as he just did to Murray State.

Must be getting mean in his old age.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby Jsnhbe1Birds » May 2nd, 2017, 10:46 am

Elgin didn't force MuStU to lobby for a spot and make it public for everyone to see. This has to do with scheduling and keeping an even number of teams.. obviously nobody thinks there is a worth 12th team. One day there will be and Murray will come along then if they want.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby Aargh » May 2nd, 2017, 11:03 am

Elgin likes round robin league schedules because they're "fair". Unfortunately, that isn't the way leagues are going that want to maximize NCAA shares.

More and more leagues are going to unbalanced schedules where the top teams in the league play h/h with the other top teams in the league and only play the bottom teams once. The bottom teams play the other bottom teams h/h, and only play the top teams once. That's oversimplified, but it demonstrates the point.

Unbalanced schedules maximize the opportunities for quality wins and minimize the exposure to tournament elimination losses. With the addition of Murray and Valpo (both appear to be potential quality wins), the Valley could have afforded to pick up one weaker school to facilitate 12-team unbalanced schedules.

The Valley could have gone to unbalanced scheduling with 11 teams, but it seems to be easier with 12. That was part of the reason the AAC wanted WSU.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby MissouriValleyUnite » May 2nd, 2017, 11:26 am

I stated the day WSU left that any expansion not including both Murray & Valpo would be a failure.

I stand by that.

So MVC, if true.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby MissouriValleyUnite » May 2nd, 2017, 11:28 am

Play Angry wrote:I never pegged Doug Elgin as someone who would string along a school and humiliate them as badly as he just did to Murray State.

Must be getting mean in his old age.

My guess is Rothstein's "MVC targetting Murray/Valpo for 11" report on WSU's departure day was true and that's what Elgin wanted, but the goofy Presidents/ADs reared their ugly heads.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby RacerJoeD » May 2nd, 2017, 11:29 am

MissouriValleyUnite wrote:I stated the day WSU left that any expansion not including both Murray & Valpo would be a failure.

I stand by that.

So MVC, if true.



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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby TheAsianSensation » May 2nd, 2017, 11:31 am

Stickboy46 wrote:According to Mark Adams on Twitter. A source confirmed that Valpo will be the one to replace WSU. No additional adds. No vote/invite yet.

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In a vacuum, Valpo is a fine add. Not a slam-dunk by any means, but they're a legitimate candidate and provides modest value with modest upside.

However, adding them alone is the equivalent of going for a layup when you're down 6 with 10 seconds left. Yeah, you're now closer to the lead, but once you think of the permutations you need, you're still down two possessions and the other team has the ball. Same kind of thinking here. Yeah, we add one solid program, but what are our chances of getting back to success and multi-bid status if that's our only move? We've improved, but not to the degree we need to.
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