MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team league

[mvfcfan]

What was the point in even visiting Milwaukee and Omaha if we aren't going to go to 12? I'm keeping hope that these so called sources are wrong. It seems like everyone these days has a source and these sources seem to all have different information that conflicts with the other sources. Just saying.

[Play Angry]

I never pegged Doug Elgin as someone who would string along a school and humiliate them as badly as he just did to Murray State.

Must be getting mean in his old age.

My guess is Rothstein's "MVC targetting Murray/Valpo for 11" report on WSU's departure day was true and that's what Elgin wanted, but the goofy Presidents/ADs reared their ugly heads.

Sounds about right.

[BCPanther]

I never pegged Doug Elgin as someone who would string along a school and humiliate them as badly as he just did to Murray State.

Must be getting mean in his old age.

My guess is Rothstein's "MVC targetting Murray/Valpo for 11" report on WSU's departure day was true and that's what Elgin wanted, but the goofy Presidents/ADs reared their ugly heads.

That's my guess as well. Looking at you private schools....

[Cdizzle]

That's my guess as well. Looking at you private schools....

If Valpo is the only add....add in the LUC move a few years ago.....and yeah, the league has been Evansville'd so hard it's criminal.

[Breds20]

I'd have to guess the puppy dogs and aces blocked Murray St. If Adams sources are correct

[E-Villan]

I'd have to guess the puppy dogs and aces blocked Murray St. If Adams sources are correct

Anything and everything I have heard in Evansville is strong support for Murray. Really doubt there was any block here. Besides, I saw a tweet where the Murray AD stated that the Presidents haven't even voted yet. The only person in Evansville that would be upset about Murray would have to be the Ford Center Manager who swung the OVC Tournament here. Without Murray, that thing will be a wake.

Dizzle, shouldn't you be busy defending the Clown School to your new conference mates instead of hanging around here? I would say Wichita opinions matter about as much as Central Florida ones do to us.

[RoyalShock]

While I'm sure Elgin plays a significant role, the visits, votes and invites are ultimately decided on by the university presidents. They visited all the schools discussed here. If you don't like the outcome, lay your outrage at the feet of your own leaders, not Elgin. Furthermore, perhaps they saw something at Murray and/or Wisconsin they found problematic.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Elgin likes round robin league schedules because they're "fair". Unfortunately, that isn't the way leagues are going that want to maximize NCAA shares.

More and more leagues are going to unbalanced schedules where the top teams in the league play h/h with the other top teams in the league and only play the bottom teams once. The bottom teams play the other bottom teams h/h, and only play the top teams once. That's oversimplified, but it demonstrates the point.

Unbalanced schedules maximize the opportunities for quality wins and minimize the exposure to tournament elimination losses. With the addition of Murray and Valpo (both appear to be potential quality wins), the Valley could have afforded to pick up one weaker school to facilitate 12-team unbalanced schedules.

The Valley could have gone to unbalanced scheduling with 11 teams, but it seems to be easier with 12. That was part of the reason the AAC wanted WSU.

The Big East has a full round robin and just got 7 bids (70%) of the conference into the tourney. There is absolutely nothing wrong with round robin scheduling and, according to most coaches, is preferable. it does away with situations where a school wins a conference title due to an unbalanced schedule. I'm a big fan of playing every team in the conference twice. I'm sure your sudden ridiculing of round robin scheduling has nothing to do with the fact that WSU won't be doing it any more.

I think the strangest part of the post is blaming Elgin. I remember seeing that a lot when I used to visit here regularly. The problems with the MVC were never Elgin created. Truth be told, Elgin came up with really solid ideas,: scheduling requirement, bracketbusters, MVC-MWC challenge. It is the university presidents that hold the MVC back. The schools voted to do away with Elgin's scheduling mandate because it presented a financial hardship (or competitive hardship -can't schedule as many guaranteed wins) to certain members. One of the biggest problems with the MVC used to be the disparate situations that so many schools were in when compared to one another. Some schools had much bigger budgets, much bigger fan support and wanted to leverage those assets. Other schools had much more limited budgets and didn't want to do anything that would lead to additional spending without a corresponding increase in revenue. There is also the public vs. privates and football vs. non-football dynamics going on behind the scenes. WSU was always an anomaly because they were a public school without FB, so they tended to vote with the other nonFB schools on a lot of issues. About 7 years ago, I predicted the MVC would blow up because of FB. I think it is closer to that than ever.

EDIT------ While I was typing my post, Royal said the same thing about Elgin

[E-Villan]

Elgin likes round robin league schedules because they're "fair". Unfortunately, that isn't the way leagues are going that want to maximize NCAA shares.

More and more leagues are going to unbalanced schedules where the top teams in the league play h/h with the other top teams in the league and only play the bottom teams once. The bottom teams play the other bottom teams h/h, and only play the top teams once. That's oversimplified, but it demonstrates the point.

Unbalanced schedules maximize the opportunities for quality wins and minimize the exposure to tournament elimination losses. With the addition of Murray and Valpo (both appear to be potential quality wins), the Valley could have afforded to pick up one weaker school to facilitate 12-team unbalanced schedules.

The Valley could have gone to unbalanced scheduling with 11 teams, but it seems to be easier with 12. That was part of the reason the AAC wanted WSU.

The Big East has a full round robin and just got 7 bids (70%) of the conference into the tourney. There is absolutely nothing wrong with round robin scheduling and, according to most coaches, is preferable. it does away with situations where a school wins a conference title due to an unbalanced schedule. I'm a big fan of playing every team in the conference twice. I'm sure your sudden ridiculing of round robin scheduling has nothing to do with the fact that WSU won't be doing it any more.

I think the strangest part of the post is blaming Elgin. I remember seeing that a lot when I used to visit here regularly. The problems with the MVC were never Elgin created. Truth be told, Elgin came up with really solid ideas,: scheduling requirement, bracketbusters, MVC-MWC challenge. It is the university presidents that hold the MVC back. The schools voted to do away with Elgin's scheduling mandate because it presented a financial hardship (or competitive hardship -can't schedule as many guaranteed wins) to certain members. One of the biggest problems with the MVC used to be the disparate situations that so many schools were in when compared to one another. Some schools had much bigger budgets, much bigger fan support and wanted to leverage those assets. Other schools had much more limited budgets and didn't want to do anything that would lead to additional spending without a corresponding increase in revenue. There is also the public vs. privates and football vs. non-football dynamics going on behind the scenes. WSU was always an anomaly because they were a public school without FB, so they tended to vote with the other nonFB schools on a lot of issues. About 7 years ago, I predicted the MVC would blow up because of FB. I think it is closer to that than ever.

EDIT------ While I was typing my post, Royal said the same thing about Elgin

Now there's a former member with an intelligent response. I completely agree about the potential blowup, and could be a reason if any of this is true, that a private was pushed to the front of the pack.

[Cdizzle]

Dizzle, shouldn't you be busy defending the Clown School to your new conference mates instead of hanging around here? I would say Wichita opinions matter about as much as Central Florida ones do to us.

I tried defending Evansville to the new conference mates, but they wouldn't buy it.