Serious Question

[BirdsEyeView]

There is proof that Koch got a group of boosters together to get 1.15 mil for GGG right?

So whether or not the money came out of his pocket he was the one to get the extra money to keep him at WSU. You are really arguing semantics here.

Accurate.

My only take is that they have an emergency booster fund that is much larger than everyone else in the MVC. Nobody else has the ability to overcome a $4 million/year offer from Alabama. If Dan Muller gets that job offer...see ya.

[IllinoisState]

Why are the WSU fans so defensive about the fact that the Koch $ has and does play an important role in their success. Could it be that they are afraid someone will suggest that they would just be another mid-major team that play(ed) in the MVC? Keep on deflecting and backing up you Crawdad Shocker fans.

Here's to hoping to the American falling apart - looking forward to Cincy and Houston moving on to a P5 conference and UConn going to the Big East.

What's that leave ECU, Memphis, SMU, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF and USF.

As much as some apparently want to see the world burn...this won't happen. Did you just see what the Big 12 did? The P5 are done moving for the next decade.

Even if all that where to happen, The American would look to the top of the other mid major leagues to fill the spots. ECU, Memphis, SMU, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF, and USF are still a better combination of teams than what is left in the Valley. I'm not trying to put the league down, but from top to bottom there is a difference. Still love the Valley and will watch the games. Third best sports day for me was Friday of the Valley tournament behind the first two days of the NCAA Tourney

16'-17' RPI
SMU 15
UCF 70
Memphis 121
Tulsa 131
Temple 136
ECU 214
Tulane 298
USF 316
Average: 163

Illinois St 33
SIU 145
UNI 161
Loyola 177
Evansville 183
MSU 209
Bradley 220
Indiana St 233
Drake 314
Average 186

Where did UConn and Wichita State go?

[UEACES80]

Anything is possible with the P5's. Who thought Maryland would come to the Big10? Who thought the Big10 would pick Nebraska away from the old Big8? And who thought Texas A&M would go to the SEC?

Texas and to a lesser extent Oklahoma rule the Big12. The others are expendable pieces in their eyes - yes even Kansas with a powerful basketball program but an awful football program.

The SEC has 12 teams what stops them from going to 16. I would think Houston would be a prime target to further their footprint into the state of Texas. Cincinnati would deliver a slap in the face to the Ohio State University (one of the flagships of the Big10) by putting a flag on their turf. Who else would the SEC go after? Georgia Tech, MIami, one of the Florida schools such as USF or UCF, could they sway Oklahoma and Oklahoma State as tag along. Heck even Memphis who is a rival of Ole Miss, Arkansas, Tenn and Vandy could be a target.

If Big10 currently with 14 teams decided to go to 16 what would their targets be? Who knows but ND makes sense but I doubt that happens. Maybe Virginia as they fit the profile the Big10 likes. Syracuse to further their attempt on the NYC market.

I see the Big10 and SEC as the drivers of all this where as the Pac8, 10 oops I mean 12 doesn't factor in as much unless they could sway Texas to listen. If Texas listens they might bring OU and Okie State then UT gets to pick a friend say Baylor, TCU or Texas Tech.

All I am saying is that as frustrated as we are in the MVC to have lost CU and WSU is that the green grass WSU currently sees right now might not always be so green if the big boys with P5 football start moving and shaking again. Especially since Wichita doesn't have football and isn't located in the east where most good basketball but non football schools reside. Doesn't mean WSU doesn't fire up football and try to be at a level similar to Tulsa.

[shocktheheart]

Here's to hoping to the American falling apart - looking forward to Cincy and Houston moving on to a P5 conference and UConn going to the Big East.

What's that leave ECU, Memphis, SMU, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF and USF.[/quote]
As much as some apparently want to see the world burn...this won't happen. Did you just see what the Big 12 did? The P5 are done moving for the next decade.[/quote]

Even if all that where to happen, The American would look to the top of the other mid major leagues to fill the spots. ECU, Memphis, SMU, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF, and USF are still a better combination of teams than what is left in the Valley. I'm not trying to put the league down, but from top to bottom there is a difference. Still love the Valley and will watch the games. Third best sports day for me was Friday of the Valley tournament behind the first two days of the NCAA Tourney

16'-17' RPI
SMU 15
UCF 70
Memphis 121
Tulsa 131
Temple 136
ECU 214
Tulane 298
USF 316
Average: 163

Illinois St 33
SIU 145
UNI 161
Loyola 177
Evansville 183
MSU 209
Bradley 220
Indiana St 233
Drake 314
Average 186[/quote]

Where did UConn and Wichita State go?[/quote]

Aces wanted Cincy, UConn, and Houston to leave the American to screw WSU. I showed they are still in about the same or better situation than the Valley currently even if they do leave.

[UEACES80]

16'-17' RPI
SMU 15 - a fluke with shyster Larry Brown's recruited team look for a crash to earth in a few years
UCF 70 - could maintain especially with Johnny Dawkins
Memphis 121 - might improve to levels they have obtained in the past
Tulsa 131 - room for upward growth
Temple 136 - same as Tulsa
ECU 214 - limited growth - football is #1
Tulane 298 - Boat Anchor
USF 316 - room for upward growth
Average: 163

Illinois St 33
SIU 145
UNI 161
Loyola 177
Evansville 183
MSU 209
Bradley 220
Indiana St 233
Drake 314
Average 186

I would think that this hypothetical paired down American would be the slightly better basketball conference than the MVC but every now and then (say once every 5 years) the MVC would surpass them if the MVC is able to schedule better.

[IllinoisState]

Here's to hoping to the American falling apart - looking forward to Cincy and Houston moving on to a P5 conference and UConn going to the Big East.

What's that leave ECU, Memphis, SMU, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF and USF.

As much as some apparently want to see the world burn...this won't happen. Did you just see what the Big 12 did? The P5 are done moving for the next decade.[/quote]

Even if all that where to happen, The American would look to the top of the other mid major leagues to fill the spots. ECU, Memphis, SMU, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF, and USF are still a better combination of teams than what is left in the Valley. I'm not trying to put the league down, but from top to bottom there is a difference. Still love the Valley and will watch the games. Third best sports day for me was Friday of the Valley tournament behind the first two days of the NCAA Tourney

16'-17' RPI
SMU 15
UCF 70
Memphis 121
Tulsa 131
Temple 136
ECU 214
Tulane 298
USF 316
Average: 163

Illinois St 33
SIU 145
UNI 161
Loyola 177
Evansville 183
MSU 209
Bradley 220
Indiana St 233
Drake 314
Average 186[/quote]

Where did UConn and Wichita State go?[/quote]

Aces wanted Cincy, UConn, and Houston to leave the American to screw WSU. I showed they are still in about the same or better situation than the Valley currently even if they do leave.[/quote]

Okay, makes sense.

[C0|db|00ded]

Some Shocker fans are misinformed.

Had Charles Koch and Co. not led the charge to keep 3G when Alabama came with truckloads of money, we would have lost him. And Chuckles is responsible for more than 5% of 3G's salary. LOL!

I agree with the ankle biters who've been chirping this thread up. There's nothing to be ashamed of regarding Koch's alliance with our university. Charles Koch is a proponent of free markets and understands clearly what actions led to the United States becoming the most dominant nation in the history of the civilized world. His vision for America is a breath of fresh air compared to the current generation of Snowflakes whose aim is to destroy everything that was built before them.

I'm proud our arena bears his name.


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[squirrel]

The AAC will just raid the best of what's available in CUSA with ready-made FBS football programs. IF Wichita ever does start it, they'll have a place for them.

[shocktheheart]

Anything is possible with the P5's. Who thought Maryland would come to the Big10? Who thought the Big10 would pick Nebraska away from the old Big8? And who thought Texas A&M would go to the SEC?

Texas and to a lesser extent Oklahoma rule the Big12. The others are expendable pieces in their eyes - yes even Kansas with a powerful basketball program but an awful football program.

The SEC has 12 teams what stops them from going to 16. I would think Houston would be a prime target to further their footprint into the state of Texas. Cincinnati would deliver a slap in the face to the Ohio State University (one of the flagships of the Big10) by putting a flag on their turf. Who else would the SEC go after? Georgia Tech, MIami, one of the Florida schools such as USF or UCF, could they sway Oklahoma and Oklahoma State as tag along. Heck even Memphis who is a rival of Ole Miss, Arkansas, Tenn and Vandy could be a target.

If Big10 currently with 14 teams decided to go to 16 what would their targets be? Who knows but ND makes sense but I doubt that happens. Maybe Virginia as they fit the profile the Big10 likes. Syracuse to further their attempt on the NYC market.

I see the Big10 and SEC as the drivers of all this where as the Pac8, 10 oops I mean 12 doesn't factor in as much unless they could sway Texas to listen. If Texas listens they might bring OU and Okie State then UT gets to pick a friend say Baylor, TCU or Texas Tech.

All I am saying is that as frustrated as we are in the MVC to have lost CU and WSU is that the green grass WSU currently sees right now might not always be so green if the big boys with P5 football start moving and shaking again. Especially since Wichita doesn't have football and isn't located in the east where most good basketball but non football schools reside. Doesn't mean WSU doesn't fire up football and try to be at a level similar to Tulsa.

And if that does happen either WSU finds a different conference or the American starts raiding other conferences. You don't make a decision on what possibly could happen in the next decade when the decision is better for the university now.

[shocktheheart]

16'-17' RPI
SMU 15 - a fluke with shyster Larry Brown's recruited team look for a crash to earth in a few years
UCF 70 - could maintain especially with Johnny Dawkins
Memphis 121 - might improve to levels they have obtained in the past
Tulsa 131 - room for upward growth
Temple 136 - same as Tulsa
ECU 214 - limited growth - football is #1
Tulane 298 - Boat Anchor
USF 316 - room for upward growth
Average: 163

Illinois St 33
SIU 145
UNI 161
Loyola 177
Evansville 183
MSU 209
Bradley 220
Indiana St 233
Drake 314
Average 186

I would think that this hypothetical paired down American would be the slightly better basketball conference than the MVC but every now and then (say once every 5 years) the MVC would surpass them if the MVC is able to schedule better.

You are also not figuring in WSU's rpi into the American from last year. WSU was 31 which drops the average to 148 which is almost 40 points better. You would also have to take the gain that Valley teams received by playing WSU and vice versa with the American