What is your definition of Mid Major?

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

Again Marty, you can argue semantics all you want, but you were trying to establish the idea that the current AAC is a superior league to the current Big East by using records established when the current Big East teams and Louisville were part of the conference now called the AAC. Again we're not that stupid and the fact you persist suggests you truly are. If you weren't trying to make the case for current league status, I could buy your historical rationale, but your goal was trying to come on here and sell that WSU was now in a superior league to the current Big East and you tried to manipulate to that end. You didn't pull it off so now just go away please, because you've now added boring to pot.

When I turn on the TV to watch a Big East conference game and Fox Sports has elected to replace it with darts, that tells you where your league stands. The cash and TV deals say the AAC is the better conference overall.

My original point wasn't to say the AAC is better than the Big East anyway. You twisted it to that. My original point was making fun of this thread for trying to say WSU is in a mid major conference...I was simply saying a conference with 3 of the last 10 national titles probably isn't mid major...subtract Louisville if you want, still 2 of the last 10 belong to the AAC while the majority of conferences have 0 and only 1 has more.

Let me put this to bed. The Big EAST was number 3 in RPI last season. They beat out two P5s. Yes, the American finished 7th, but the A-10 was .02 points behind at 8th, the WCC was .03 points behind at 9th and the MWC was .04 points behind at 10th. The A-10, WCC, and MWC are all mid majors, no argument. Therefore, so is the AAC because they're all in the same spot. The jump up from the AAC at 7 to the 6th spot is .25. They're a lot close to 10 then they are to 6. And, they're .43 away from the Big East. That's why the big East is a major conference and not the AAC.

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[Bluejay09Bear06]

The cash and TV deals say the AAC is the better conference overall.

The Big East has more cash and a better TV deal and it's not even in the same universe.

The AAC's TV deal with ESPN for both football and basketball is a 7-year, $126 million deal. That's $1.5 million per school, per year. For two sports.

The Big East's TV deal with FS1 for basketball only is a 12-year, $500 million deal. That's almost $4.2 million per school, per year. For one sport.

[BEARZ77]

As you see from multiple posts and their counters, Marty has not been overly encumbered by either the truth or rational thought in his pursuit of this delusion. It was laughable to start because he had to manipulate the truth to even make a point, now it's just boring.

Marty: "Right now you have the power 5, then the AAC, then everyone else"
Marty:" My point wasn't to say the AAC was better than the Big East...... you twisted it to that."

Wow!!!!

[AndShock]

Louisville was never in the AAC.

False. But I was wrong that Louisville won the championship while the conference was known as the AAC, they won the championship when the conference was known as the Big East. They did not change conference affiliation until they went to the ACC.

[BEARZ77]

Again semantics; the point I think everyone has been more than tolerant in pointing out is that prior to the switches the Big East was very similar in team composition to what it is today minus solid contributors in UCONN, Syracuse, Pitt, and briefly Louisville, but replaced by again solid programs in Marquette, Butler, Creighton. The current AAC/former Big East looks nothing like that conference with only UCONN remaining and while WSU and Cinn are solid programs the rest of the league is the old USA with a number of really weak programs. Leagues are teams not names, and to try to claim current AAC status using old Big East glory was a stupid sham that nobody bought.

[Mikovio]

Let's say the AAC really is the Big East which used to have Syracuse and Pitt. Then the Big East has fallen flat on its face and is a shell of its former self just like the WAC (which used to have Arizona and Arizona State) and the Valley (which used to have Kansas and Iowa). If once-power conferences are always power conferences forevermore, the Shockers just left one for another.

[Redhawk]

Let's say the AAC really is the Big East which used to have Syracuse and Pitt. Then the Big East has fallen flat on its face and is a shell of its former self just like the WAC (which used to have Arizona and Arizona State) and the Valley (which used to have Kansas and Iowa). If once-power conferences are always power conferences forevermore, the Shockers just left one for another.

[mvcfan]

Sometimes things are just funny. I swing by to see what's being said about WSU leaving and WSU fans are still insecure and delusional.

For the record, I think WSU's addition to the AAC is perfect: The most insecure fanbase joins the most insecure conference. Is there anything more pathetic than stickers claiming to be P6? How embarrassing.

AAC athletics are killing UConn basketball. The program has gotten worse every year it has been in the AAC. At some point they will come to realize that their football is as bad as everybody not in Storrs already acknowledges and drop the money losing program. Once they do so, the Big East will add its first public school and UConn's basketball program can start healing.

The problem is UConn believes it should be P5.m I think they'll hold out for that. Might never come though. I don't think the Big East wants anything to do with St. Louis either, even though St. Louis is holding out for them. SLU is just a horrible program. Always has been too except for when Majerus was there. Rumors of Gonzaga are ridiculous because theyre so far away from the footprint. Dayton is a no brainer. That leaves one more team. I really think the Big East should take a look at VCU, also a public. Who knows. Maybe Wichita dominates the AAC for a few years and they get the call, which would be even better than VCU and gives Creighton a regional partner and old foe. What are your thoughts?

I think the Big East has zero desire to expand right now. More bodies means TV money just gets spread among more people, resulting in a lesser share for each eber. The league is very healthy and just got 70% of the members into the NCAA tourney (and 2 of the programs that didn't get in are Georgetown and St Johns); unlike the AAC, there is no need to add teams just to try to get more NCAA tourney bids. I suspect the conference just sits still until the Big 12 blows up to evaluate what might be there to nab.

UConn availability is the one exception due to history, location, academic profile and reputation. I agree that UConn is trying to get a football 5 invite, but their location and horrible football program make that unlikely. Other than UConn, nobody else moves the meter. SLU stinks, Dayton is too close to Xavier, VCU is public and may be too close to Georgetown, Gonzaga is too damn far, WSU is public and doesn't fit the academic profile of the other league members, etc. Most importantly, all of those schools will still be available down the road (they aren't joining a F5 conference in the interim), so there is no pressing need to add any of those schools now.

Since you and the BJ are giving each mutual BJ's, I'll just say that Creighton is hanging on to the other teams tails in the BE. They are so good, they move to another conference and finish in the upper half twice, and proceed to win one NCAA game with those teams shows that they are not very much better than before. They need to prove their worth against the best, in the tourney at the end of the year, not in the first half.

[AndShock]

Let's say the AAC really is the Big East which used to have Syracuse and Pitt. Then the Big East has fallen flat on its face and is a shell of its former self just like the WAC (which used to have Arizona and Arizona State) and the Valley (which used to have Kansas and Iowa). If once-power conferences are always power conferences forevermore, the Shockers just left one for another.

Fair. I don't characterize the AAC as a power conference and I find the P6 thing to be a bit cringey. To be fair, not any more cringey than some of the things that have came out of Elgin's mouth over the last few years. My hope is that Wichita State in the AAC propels them to be right up next to the 6th best conference (instead of right next to the 11th) with the chance to finish ahead of the SEC or Pac-12 occasionally. Maybe not and we find ourselves stuck in the 7-9 slots, which would still be a small improvement.

[UEACES80]

Yawn