Big Sky moving to 11/20 format

[IWokeUpLikeThis]

CUSA and Sun Belt changes were relevant to us from a strategic standpoint.

This move is irrelevant to us. This is pure budget-saving moves from a bottom 5 basketball conference. They're not trying to do anything to manipulate their seed in March. Nothing to see here; move along.

MVC officials said Murray was an “MVC institution” but that 11 couldn’t be worked out due to scheduling. That’s why it’s relevant. If the shoestring, geographically vast Big Sky could make 11/20 work, why did the MVC present it as an impossibility last year?

[tribecalledquest]

CUSA and Sun Belt changes were relevant to us from a strategic standpoint.

This move is irrelevant to us. This is pure budget-saving moves from a bottom 5 basketball conference. They're not trying to do anything to manipulate their seed in March. Nothing to see here; move along.

MVC officials said Murray was an “MVC institution” but that 11 couldn’t be worked out due to scheduling. That’s why it’s relevant. If the shoestring, geographically vast Big Sky could make 11/20 work, why did the MVC present it as an impossibility last year?

Where did you hear/read this that the MVC couldn't make 11 teams work?

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

Elgin and the MSU both said it during interviews.

[tribecalledquest]

Elgin and the MSU both said it during interviews.

They could make it work. They just didn't want to at this time.

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

Elgin and the MSU both said it during interviews.

They could make it work. They just didn't want to at this time.

Exactly

[rally]

Perception to national news media. Look no further than last selection cycle where the A10 was assumed to be a multibid league and the Valley wasn’t. Personally I don’t think the A10 was really any better than the Valley was last season, but one conference got the benefit of the doubt and one conference didn’t.

Teams get bids, not conferences. There was no talk about the MVC getting mulitple bids because there wasn't a 2nd team even remotely close to the bubble.

[RacerJoeD]

Perception to national news media. Look no further than last selection cycle where the A10 was assumed to be a multibid league and the Valley wasn’t. Personally I don’t think the A10 was really any better than the Valley was last season, but one conference got the benefit of the doubt and one conference didn’t.

Teams get bids, not conferences. There was no talk about the MVC getting mulitple bids because there wasn't a 2nd team even remotely close to the bubble.

Conferences do get bids. Because conferences are made of teams. What do the stats tell you about the teams then?

Conf.1 (rounded to nearest tenth) Conf 2
Avg Conf SOS Avg Conf SOS
145.8 109

Conf RPI Conf RPI
161.1 136

SOS (avg per team) SOS (avg per team)
124 125

Avg. Total RPI Avg Total RPI
158 128

[RacerJoeD]

Conf 1 got 3 bids. Conf 2 got 1. But that isn't the whole story. Conf 1 (A10) got two at large bids. Conf 2 got no at large bids. And there was talk that had Loyola not won their last game in Arch Madness, they wouldn't have even gotten a bid.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co ... story.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/loyola-m ... ned-2018-3

https://sports.yahoo.com/loyola-chicago ... 07234.html

You want to know how a conference (and their teams) put pressure on selection committees? by changing the perception of the conference in the national discussion. That is where the press comes in. Because it isn't going to happen in the NCAA offices, otherwise it would have already.

The big $$$ conferences are already going to 20 game conference schedules. That means that teams in conferences like the MVC won't have as many dates to fill with big $$$ conference teams, instead filling the slots with either non D1 teams, or whatever they can buy. (Hello SWAC, MEAC, WAC bottom feeders)

Here is the rub, Standing still is falling behind. That goes for teams, as well as conferences.

[rally]

Perception to national news media. Look no further than last selection cycle where the A10 was assumed to be a multibid league and the Valley wasn’t. Personally I don’t think the A10 was really any better than the Valley was last season, but one conference got the benefit of the doubt and one conference didn’t.

Teams get bids, not conferences. There was no talk about the MVC getting mulitple bids because there wasn't a 2nd team even remotely close to the bubble.

Conferences do get bids. Because conferences are made of teams. What do the stats tell you about the teams then?

Conf.1 (rounded to nearest tenth) Conf 2
Avg Conf SOS Avg Conf SOS
145.8 109

Conf RPI Conf RPI
161.1 136

SOS (avg per team) SOS (avg per team)
124 125

Avg. Total RPI Avg Total RPI
158 128

That tells me nothing about the teams themselves. This isn't hard.

RPI
19-Rhode Island
24-St. Bonaventure
85-Illinois State

There's your relevant comparison. Simple averages of every team in the conference are useless when selecting individual teams. This isn't about perception.

[RacerJoeD]

If RPI was all that mattered, why would Loyola not have been a slam dunk at large?

(the open secret is that RPI doesn't matter)