Next years non-conference schedule

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Re: Next years non-conference schedule

Postby IWokeUpLikeThis » August 28th, 2018, 2:57 pm

Mikovio wrote:
havoc wrote:
VUGrad1314 wrote:Of course I was kidding. I just couldn't believe how many MVC games appear on Ball State's nonconference schedule. They've got Loyola Valpo Evansville twice and Indiana State (I think).


To me, makes sense for Ball State and all of the MVC schools. In-state (expect for Loyola, still <4 hour drive), decent mid-major, recruit similar players, and most likely strikes a bigger chord with home fans than Jacksonville State or High Point. I understand the need to play against different types of styles, but these type of regional non-conference games against similar schools to me are win-wins. For Evansville, give me more Ball States, Austin Peays, Miamis (OH), Belmonts, Murray States, etc.

Good catch on the Miamis (OH) but wouldn't that make it Balls State?


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Re: Next years non-conference schedule

Postby Rambler63 » August 30th, 2018, 1:50 am

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VUGrad1314 wrote:Loyola's schedule is out and while it looks good on balance my first glance at their home slate left me unimpressed outside of Nevada. Ball State is a decent series Furman has been good the past two years but I'm not sure I trust them yet. If Furman keeps it up Niagara proves it's back on the way up, Norfolk State rights the ship, and Grambling State performs to expectations, then it's solid. Overall, it should get them into the at-large conversation if they handle their business but they really need to do well in Fort Myers ( and for Richmond and BC\Wyoming to be good) beat St Joseph's and beat at least one of Maryland and Nevada to be in the at-large conversation.

https://loyolaramblers.com/news/2018/8/ ... ath=mbball


They have to be disappointed with that schedule; not enough surefire quality wins available and too many potential low rated teams. Nevada is great, but Maryland could be iffy[ 2-12 against group 1&2 teams, 16-1 vs group 3 &4 ] beyond just the perk for playing a P-5 team. While decent teams, Furman, Wyoming, St. Joseph, Richmond don't move the needle much. I know some people are talking about maybe a couple teams from the Valley going 16-2 /17-1, but I don't think so. Teams 1-6 should be very competitive and I just don't see anyone winning the majority of those road games. Could be hard for LOC with this noncon to secure an at-large w/o that kind of valley record however.

I truly feel for MVC coaches as we all know scheduling is difficult at this level; but it is one of the top 2-3 job skills necessary and you either get it done or you don't. The problem for LOC this year was their tournament entry didn't get them the kind of P-5 matchups you hope for.


This is probably the best schedule Loyola has had since the early 1990s, maybe the mid 80s. This is a really solid schedule. Getting a Big 10 team to go to a neutral site for a game, getting two better than average A-10 games, a possible ACC game, and a probable top 10 game... AT HOME? These teams aren't necessarily big names, but they're big in schedule strength and whatever the unknown parameters of the NET are going to look like. I count possibly 8 top 150 games, 5 top 100 games, 2 top 50s, and 1 top 10 in the non-con. Compare that to any non-con schedule for a P5 team.
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Re: Next years non-conference schedule

Postby usmcsaluki » August 30th, 2018, 3:06 am

Maryland is slated in the #3 spot on ESPN's preseason Big10 power rankings so that may be the best or second best game on their schedule this year outside of Nevada.
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Re: Next years non-conference schedule

Postby BEARZ77 » August 30th, 2018, 6:37 am

Rambler63 wrote:This is probably the best schedule Loyola has had since the early 1990s, maybe the mid 80s. This is a really solid schedule. Getting a Big 10 team to go to a neutral site for a game, getting two better than average A-10 games, a possible ACC game, and a probable top 10 game... AT HOME? These teams aren't necessarily big names, but they're big in schedule strength and whatever the unknown parameters of the NET are going to look like. I count possibly 8 top 150 games, 5 top 100 games, 2 top 50s, and 1 top 10 in the non-con. Compare that to any non-con schedule for a P5 team.


I think you're reaching a bit in your analysis. The schedule may be the best Loyola has had since the 90's, but I'm just looking at it from the potential to get enough quality wins for at-large consideration.From that perspective, a lot has to go right for LOC. There are 4 sub 200 level games; calling Richmond [12-20, 178 rpi] and St Joes [16-16, 149 rpi] "better than average A-10 teams is at best generous. Nevada was the only top 50 team last year, and there's a number of games vs teams that hovered at either side of the top 100 that have to tilt your way. Say you go 1-1 vs Maryland/Nevada, and play Wyoming or even if it's BC , say they are #10 in the tuff ACC. Where's the quality wins to beat the argument for the 18-13 power 5 team with a 4-8 record against the top 50. I think LOC needed to avoid that many 200 level games and needed to schedule a possible roadie win vs a top 50 team like they had last year at Florida. It's tough, I don't make the rules but I understand them enough to know when a schedule has some obvious limitations to at large possibilities. And I'm not saying many MVC teams are in better shape schedule wise, though I'd say at least 2 of the other top 4 teams are. MSU's schedule[ and no, we're not top 4 MVC this year] is pretty weak at home, but we have 2 of 3 possible P-5 teams guaranteed[ Nebraska #54/USC #37/ Texas Tech #18] , and a third true roadie p-5 win opportunity[Oregon state #140], plus a top 50 at home vs WKU[ #32] and a road win opportunity at Murray State[#51]. Probably not up to all that this year, and there's still too many bad loss opportunities in it, but for what it's worth.
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Re: Next years non-conference schedule

Postby goramblers2011 » August 30th, 2018, 6:45 am

BEARZ77 wrote:
Rambler63 wrote:This is probably the best schedule Loyola has had since the early 1990s, maybe the mid 80s. This is a really solid schedule. Getting a Big 10 team to go to a neutral site for a game, getting two better than average A-10 games, a possible ACC game, and a probable top 10 game... AT HOME? These teams aren't necessarily big names, but they're big in schedule strength and whatever the unknown parameters of the NET are going to look like. I count possibly 8 top 150 games, 5 top 100 games, 2 top 50s, and 1 top 10 in the non-con. Compare that to any non-con schedule for a P5 team.


I think you're reaching a bit in your analysis. The schedule may be the best Loyola has had since the 90's, but I'm just looking at it from the potential to get enough quality wins for at-large consideration.From that perspective, a lot has to go right for LOC. There are 4 sub 200 level games; calling Richmond [12-20, 178 rpi] and St Joes [16-16, 149 rpi] "better than average A-10 teams is at best generous. Nevada was the only top 50 team last year, and there's a number of games vs teams that hovered at either side of the top 100 that have to tilt your way. Say you go 1-1 vs Maryland/Nevada, and play Wyoming or even if it's BC , say they are #10 in the tuff ACC. Where's the quality wins to beat the argument for the 18-13 power 5 team with a 4-8 record against the top 50. I think LOC needed to avoid that many 200 level games and needed to schedule a possible roadie win vs a top 50 team like they had last year at Florida. It's tough, I don't make the rules but I understand them enough to know when a schedule has some obvious limitations to at large possibilities. And I'm not saying many MVC teams are in better shape schedule wise, though I'd say at least 2 of the other top 4 teams are. MSU's schedule[ and no, we're not top 4 MVC this year] is pretty weak at home, but we have 3 P-5 games guaranteed, 2 of which are against top 50 teams, and a third true roadie win opportunity, plus a top 50 at home vs WKU and a road win opportunity at Murray State. Probably not up to all that this year, and there's still too many bad loss opportunities in it for what it's worth.


I would have liked to see Loyola schedule a true road game against a top 20 quality P5 team as well a la Florida last year. I am sure Porter tried all he could to beef up the schedule--he knows the importance of it.

Think it is important to point out that Maryland and St. Joe's are both projected to be vastly improved. I've seen projections putting both teams in the top 3 of their respective conferences and right in the hunt for a bid. I think BC will also be a solid team this year. And Ball State/Furman should be top 100 or so wins. Again, would be nice to have one more big name in there though.
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Re: Next years non-conference schedule

Postby BEARZ77 » August 30th, 2018, 7:54 am

I'm sure Porter found a lot of teams hesitant to schedule, but like you said, probably should have taken any roadie against a top 50 or so he could get. Maryland has your best chance to really become a quality win other than Nevada, but they really struggled against anyone but mediocre competition last year. It's not that it's a bad schedule, but my experience is if you have to start explaining how team xyz are actually good games, that's probably not good. lets hope it all breaks favorably for LOC and all the Valley teams who are good enough to be in the hunt for post season.
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Re: Next years non-conference schedule

Postby VUGrad1314 » August 30th, 2018, 10:48 am

Drake's non-con is out and it's not too bad given their rebuilding situation.

https://godrakebulldogs.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
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Re: Next years non-conference schedule

Postby BCPanther » August 30th, 2018, 12:10 pm

VUGrad1314 wrote:Drake's non-con is out and it's not too bad given their rebuilding situation.

https://godrakebulldogs.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball


Absolutely no issues with that schedule. Exactly how Drake should be scheduling. I would guess SOS ends up between 150-175 looking at it, not bad at all and a chance to get a few Ws before league play starts.

Bradley's schedule looks worse every single day.
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Re: Next years non-conference schedule

Postby BCPanther » August 31st, 2018, 9:13 am

UNI Update with 2 left to get/announce--

Nov 6--Bemidji State
Nov 10-@ UT-Arlington (End of H-H)
Nov 16-Penn at Paradise Jam
Nov 18-Kansas State or EKU at Paradise Jam
Nov 19-Mizzou/ODU/Oregon State/Kennesaw State at Paradise Jam
Nov 23-@ Old Dominion (1st of H-H)
Nov 28-@ Utah State (MWC Challenge)
Dec 1--South Dakota State in Minneapolis (US Bank Stadium Classic)
Dec 15-Iowa in Des Moines (Final Big 4 Classic)
Dec 19-Grand Canyon (1st of H-N, next year in Glendale AZ)
Dec 29-Stony Brook (Buy Game)

Spending the entire month of November on the road sucks, I assume the last two are home games on December 5th and either Dec 8th or 22nd.
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Re: Next years non-conference schedule

Postby VUGrad1314 » September 1st, 2018, 4:01 am

What can the NCAA do about this? How are they going to address this? It's ridiculous.

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