Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

[isumvc1]

Not sure it does anything for the MVC but it is looking like IPFW is headed to the Horizon League, leaving the Summit.

correct, announcement tomorrow

With Augustana joining the SL that will put them at 10 and they'll be set, unless Denver leaves at some point, as they and Western Illinois will be the outliers now.

[Mikovio]

You try to act like basketball is some big cash cow for the conference and in reality everyone in our league is just trying to break even on it.

At the end of the day football and basketball are the two major sports in Division 1. On a per game level, every school in the MVC that has scholarship football draws more per game than they do for basketball. Please don't try to pretend that no one cares, because obviously there a lot of people out there that do. If no one cared then every MVC public would not be spending more on football than they do on basketball. There's obviously a reason they are doing it. There's also a reason why ILST and MSU just recently renovated their stadiums, and SIU built a new one. Indiana State is also planning on building a new stadium and UNI already plays in a dome.

NDSU and SDSU spend more on football than basketball too, just like everyone else in the MVC. The only difference is that they have more success at it and draw way more people to their games. NDSU also plays in a nice dome and SDSU just built a new stadium that is G5 FBS quality. It doesn't mean they don't care about basketball. Obviously they both do. There hasn't been a team not named SDSU or NDSU make the NCAA tournament from the Summit League since 2011. Since 2009 SDSU has made the tournament 5 times and NDSU has made it 4 times. That's better than pretty much everyone in our league.

Yeah they are only 2-9 all time combined in the NCAA tournament (NDSU has both wins), but SDSU only lost by single digits 3 of those 5 times. NDSU also played Kansas and Gonzaga tough.

I think they have both proved that are plenty deserving of an invite. I don't think it would be that awful to invite programs to our league that want to win in both sports.

Some serious mental gymnastics going on here.

Is football the most popular sport in America? Yes!

Is FCS football popular enough such that the playoffs get a $10 billion dollar contract like NCAA basketball? Not by a longshot! I'm not saying "nobody" cares, but there sure as hell aren't bracket pools in any office I've seen.

You can compare football attendance with basketball attendance but guess what? If basketball sells 6k/game that's for (generally) 17 home games! Football (generally) plays 6 home games! And basketball has 13 scholarships! FCS football has 63! That's wayyyy more expensive! And about 1/3 of the gate revenue! And no playoff TV money!

So it's far, far more complicated than saying "football is more popular than basketball."

As for NDSU and SDSU, they have very low basketball spending in a very poor conference. You cite their 2 wins, but 1 of those wins was in the Dayton play-in game. Remember how many people on here were wringing their hands because Bradley got a 15 seed? NDSU not only got a 16 seed but was one of those 16 seeds that had to play in! Now, actually, that's not that horrible a fate financially because in the NCAA's infinite wisdom a Dayton appearance is worth just as much as a regular round of 64 appearance but I think most would agree that's not the greatest business model!

[VUGrad1314]

If this is a unilateral expansion move on the part of the Horizon League and not a response to a loss of a member then this ought to be upsetting for every MVC fan. The Horizon League is a definite one bid league and they are expanding to include a school that doesn't really help them that much unless they want more conference games. They're not worried about their tournament share or any of this other BS that is holding the MVC back. Yet we refuse to add a school in Murray State that could meaningfully help us and actually give us a legitimate shot at multibid status.

[Kip Dynamite]

Serious question because I don't know the answer to this: How much did NDSU make from wining the FCS National Championship game?

[BEARZ77]

If this is a unilateral expansion move on the part of the Horizon League and not a response to a loss of a member then this ought to be upsetting for every MVC fan. The Horizon League is a definite one bid league and they are expanding to include a school that doesn't really help them that much unless they want more conference games. They're not worried about their tournament share or any of this other BS that is holding the MVC back. Yet we refuse to add a school in Murray State that could meaningfully help us and actually give us a legitimate shot at multibid status.

Your continued belief that what is posted on a chat board reflects any of the thinking and rationale behind the decisions made by league administration is silly. Unless you have privy to those thoughts and discussions , to act like you have more insight about what they should or shouldn't do is rather grandiose. But hey it seems to be your obsession , so have at it.

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

For the fun of it...I mean why not after 103 pages.

My dream conference. Less travel for all involved and everyone has a travel partner (not that it matters for most of theses schools).

Marquette
DePaul

Notre Dame
Xavier but would settle for Dayton

Creighton
Wichita State

St. Louis
Missouri State

Illinois State
Butler

Murray State
Belmont

This would leave UConn, Providence, St. John's, Villanova, Georgetown, and Seton Hall. The only one they would care about leaving would be Villanova and they replace them with Notre Dame so it's okay. That's my dream scenario. Then I pinch myself and wake up.

[Mikovio]

Serious question because I don't know the answer to this: How much did NDSU make from wining the FCS National Championship game?

All FCS scholarship conferences share a pool of $2.3M, or $281K each, from the CFB playoff money. I'm not sure how the MVFC distributes that money but I would think they'd allot more to teams with postseason expenses.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristidosh ... 8a91282704

A few years ago Towson lost $50K by making the FCS title game.

https://www.hbcusports.com/forums/threa ... fs.116306/

Even NDSU with all its sellouts and FCS titles loses about $200K on football. But it's probably safe to say they come out ahead if you consider donations, sponsorships and other intangibles that owe to their football success.

https://bismarcktribune.com/news/state- ... 69df0.html

[MissouriValleyUnite]

If this is a unilateral expansion move on the part of the Horizon League and not a response to a loss of a member then this ought to be upsetting for every MVC fan. The Horizon League is a definite one bid league and they are expanding to include a school that doesn't really help them that much unless they want more conference games. They're not worried about their tournament share or any of this other BS that is holding the MVC back. Yet we refuse to add a school in Murray State that could meaningfully help us and actually give us a legitimate shot at multibid status.

Unless you have privy to those thoughts and discussions , to act like you have more insight about what they should or shouldn't do is rather grandiose.

Appeal to authority is a bulletproof argument. Disagree with a politician, church leader, business? Nope — sit down! If you don’t have a chair in those boardroom meetings, know your place and zip it!

[VUGrad1314]

Exactly. What is the reasoning that doesn't scream that the MVC university presidents don't care enough about the health and viability of the league as a serious national player in its flagship sport? Why can the Horizon League add Purdue Fort Wayne as a definite one bid league with the Mastadons not being a program that can help them elevate to possible at large status while the MVC can look at a program like Murray State that can elevate the MVC to potential multibid status and say "Nah we're good." Are Murray State's academics seriously that bad? Bear in mind that unless there is another addition to the Horizon League (which is possible but I haven't seen any indication of that) they have the SAME scheduling issues for other sports but went ahead with it anyway. Are MVC schools that strapped for cash? It's not like Murray State isn't in the footprint either. As I recall it's within 5 hours of virtually every MVC member just like PFW is in relation to the Horizon League. There is literally no sound argument that can be made for why the Racers are not in as an 11th team while we wait on a twelfth when the freaking Horizon just did it. Are we less responsive to the athletic needs of this conference than the Horizon League? Are we less proactive? The only thing this does for the MVC is elevate it and make it better. Add a home and home with Murray State to everyone's schedule and SOS goes up and the need for non D1s becomes non existent. The MVC hates non D1s It also hates buy games. Name me a better way to get two games than a home and home with Murray State that doesn't involve a buy game and one of the games must be a home game for your team? If you want to talk about travel, the opponent must also be close to equidistant from your school as Murray State is. I'll wait while you come up with your answers.

[JBoss8393]

I think there is more coming in the realignment among the Summit, Horizon and Valley. Rumblings that Western Illinois is looking at the OVC (renews rivalry with Eastern Illinois) since it is now the eastern outcast in the Summit. Should MVC take Murray State, WIU is the perfect replacement.

For the Summit, Augustana (SD) being discussed and possibly Chicago State or Northern Colorado. The Summit is becoming the Old North Central Conference from D2 days.