(non-MVC) Realignment News

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Re: (non-MVC) Realignment News

Postby BCPanther » January 24th, 2020, 4:06 pm

mvfcfan wrote:
VUGrad1314 wrote:Here's the post:

http://racerfans.com/board/viewtopic.ph ... &start=100

Also, what is it with Sycamore fans and wanting to be in the OVC? That's not the first ISUb fan I've seen express that setiment.


A lot of us are getting tired of playing schools that focus solely on basketball in the MVC and schools that focus solely on football in the MVFC. We don't have the resources or money to keep up. Most of us view football and basketball as equals. You can argue about it all day on here but that is how most of us feel. A lot of us also want to play the same opponents in both sports. We don't have a true rival and a lot of that has to due with not playing a lot of the same schools in both sports.

With that said there are also a lot of ISU fans that would prefer to just stay in the MVC/FC.


You don't have a true rival because you haven't dedicated the resources to attempt to be really good at anything. Nobody cares when Indiana State rolls in because, especially in football, its an easy W that's over by halftime.

I don't see UNI, Missouri State and Illinois State fans being all broken up about not playing the same teams in both sports. I think its awesome we get to see the Dakotas in football but then get to see Bradley and Loyola in basketball, it's best for both programs. What a strange hill to die on...

Hey, do you have an updated MVC/OVC standings? I'm dying to see it. :roll:
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Re: (non-MVC) Realignment News

Postby VUGrad1314 » January 24th, 2020, 8:04 pm

mvfcfan wrote:
VUGrad1314 wrote:Here's the post:

http://racerfans.com/board/viewtopic.ph ... &start=100

Also, what is it with Sycamore fans and wanting to be in the OVC? That's not the first ISUb fan I've seen express that setiment.


A lot of us are getting tired of playing schools that focus solely on basketball in the MVC and schools that focus solely on football in the MVFC. We don't have the resources or money to keep up. Most of us view football and basketball as equals. You can argue about it all day on here but that is how most of us feel. A lot of us also want to play the same opponents in both sports. We don't have a true rival and a lot of that has to due with not playing a lot of the same schools in both sports.

With that said there are also a lot of ISU fans that would prefer to just stay in the MVC/FC.


It's odd to me that you view JV Football that pays you nothing even if you win the title higher than basketball where you at least get to make noise against the best of the best if you make the tournament and pays millions of dollars for each win but to each their own I guess... I participated in a thread on the Murray State board where I make this very same argument. Look what basketball has done for schools like Valpo UNI Wichita State Gonzaga Loyola George Mason VCU Davidson Butler Xavier and Dayton. Basketball is the main reason these schools are recognized on a national level. People saw their basketball team THEN they saw their academics, student life amenities, etc. Basketball was so important a conference LITERALLY SPLIT IN HALF TO PROTECT IT (BE\AAC) Connecticut also just abandoned their conference to protect basketball. Murray State wasn't beating down the door a few years ago to get an MVC invite because the MVFC's football is so amazing. Kansas will potentially get a life raft out of the Big XII if instability strikes that conference and it's not because of their football team or for it's academic reputation. If academics were truly the driving force, Buffalo which is an AAU Institution would get P5 consideration but they don't. Unlike FCS football, we can and do get to play at the highest level. Yes football drives realignment decisions AT THE FBS LEVEL and has done wonderful things for schools like Appalachian State Boise State BYU Notre Dame Nebraska Florida State Miami Clemson the Academies (especially in the past) Utah Louisville West Virginia and TCU but if you're not at that level and you're not getting CFP money (and ISU is not) then it doesn't matter and nobody cares. Youngstown State was once a dominant FCS Power. How is that history working out for them now? The point is this: You don't make money winning in FCS. You DO make money and bring attention and cache to your school by winning in basketball. Basketball is king of the mids. It will always be king of the mids and research done by Alan Craig backs this up. It is the sport we should all be focused on unless your school is planning to go FBS and get a cut of that Playoff money. Good luck being as relevant in basketball if you do because it usually doesn't work that way. Why any Sycamore fan would knowingly take a downgrade in both basketball AND FOOTBALL for no discernible financial gain is completely beyond me.
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Re: (non-MVC) Realignment News

Postby uniguy » January 25th, 2020, 5:02 pm

It is an interesting dichotomy that folks who follow a mid-major basketball team/league so closely cannot understand why folks would follow/enjoy FCS football. It matters because it is our team, our alma mater, and we enjoy college football. I love UNI football and I don't really care that a ton of people don't follow FCS.

Who cares about the MVC outside the fans of MVC teams? Not many. Yeah, I get that you can play on the biggest stage and go on a run like Loyola. But if you were in it for money, glory and to be a part of a large group, you'd be a fan of a power 5 team.

I see a similar dichotomy with folks who think that the MVFC should get 5-6 bids in the FCS playoffs over the #2 team from lesser leagues, and then think the MVC gets screwed in the NCAA tournament over the 8th or 9th place power 6.
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Re: (non-MVC) Realignment News

Postby mvfcfan » January 26th, 2020, 2:41 pm

uniguy wrote:It is an interesting dichotomy that folks who follow a mid-major basketball team/league so closely cannot understand why folks would follow/enjoy FCS football. It matters because it is our team, our alma mater, and we enjoy college football. I love UNI football and I don't really care that a ton of people don't follow FCS.

Who cares about the MVC outside the fans of MVC teams? Not many. Yeah, I get that you can play on the biggest stage and go on a run like Loyola. But if you were in it for money, glory and to be a part of a large group, you'd be a fan of a power 5 team.

I see a similar dichotomy with folks who think that the MVFC should get 5-6 bids in the FCS playoffs over the #2 team from lesser leagues, and then think the MVC gets screwed in the NCAA tournament over the 8th or 9th place power 6.


Could not have said it any better.
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Re: (non-MVC) Realignment News

Postby RacerJoeD » January 26th, 2020, 3:13 pm

The problem, if I may, with that analogy is that mid major basketball makes national news. FCS football doesn’t.

Farokhmanesh
McCollum
Jesperson
Drew
George Mason
VCU
Loyola
FGCU “Dunk City”

These are stories, to some degree that are mentioned every single year. Most of the country couldn’t care less about fcs football. If you do, great. People collect stamps too. But that doesn’t make it compelling.
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Re: (non-MVC) Realignment News

Postby patnb » January 27th, 2020, 12:27 pm

RacerJoeD wrote:The problem, if I may, with that analogy is that mid major basketball makes national news. FCS football doesn’t.

Farokhmanesh
McCollum
Jesperson
Drew
George Mason
VCU
Loyola
FGCU “Dunk City”

These are stories, to some degree that are mentioned every single year. Most of the country couldn’t care less about fcs football. If you do, great. People collect stamps too. But that doesn’t make it compelling.

Yeah stories from guys like
Jerry Rice
Walter Payton
Steve McNair
David Johnson
Kurt Warner
Bryce Paup
Carson Wentz
Phil Simms
Terrell Owens
Andre Reed
Tony Romo
Rich Gannon
Joe Flacco
Ken O'Brien
Jimmy Garropollo
Jimmy Smith
Donald Driver
Brian Westbrook
Larry Centers
Shannon Sharpe
Nate Newton
Matt Birk
Adam Timmerman
Tunch Ilkin
Richard Dent
Michael Strahan
Jared Allen
Charles Haley
Everson Walls
Albert Lewis
Aeneas Williams
Eugene Robinson
Tyrone Braxton
Rodney Harrison
Adam Vinatieri
San Landedta
Jerick McKinnon
Tarik Cohen
Cooper Kupp
Dallas Goedert
Terron Armstead
JC Tretter
Julin Davenport
Javon Hargrave
Darius Leonard
Samson Ebukam
Rumaine Jonson
Josh Normal
Antione Betha

Those are terrible for getting publicity to schools. Nothing quite like Being a 13 seed and losing by 17 in the first found of the NCAA tournament to a 6th place ACC school
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Re: (non-MVC) Realignment News

Postby patnb » January 27th, 2020, 12:30 pm

It isn't the rest of our fault Murray State doesn't give enough of a s*** about the sport to even being to half try.

Indiana State spends more on football than UNI - by over a million and a half dollars. It's not UNI's fault Indiana State is just really really bad with money apparently

Budgets of the MVFC
SDSU $6,173,730
NDSU $ 5,281,392
UND $4,464,097
ISUb $4,048,550
YSU $4,023,675
ISUr $4,016,804
MSU $3,858,335
FCS Median $3,738,296
USD $3,634,781
UNI $3,549,488
WIU $3,128,738

Maybe if they dropped a million off the football budget and put it in basketball you might actually be good for more than one year out of every 30
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Re: (non-MVC) Realignment News

Postby IWokeUpLikeThis » January 27th, 2020, 12:34 pm

RacerJoeD/VUGrad are 100% right. What did having Jimmy Garoppolo do for EIU? Absolutely nothing. They got no benefit out of it. The financial windfall from March Madness notoriety is roughly 100 times as much.

It would be utterly delusional to compare the two.
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Re: (non-MVC) Realignment News

Postby uniguy » January 27th, 2020, 1:14 pm

Yes, there is a chance for more recognition in mid-major basketball than in FCS football. You can hit the jackpot and be one of the 1-2 teams that becomes the major story for a weekend or two in the tournament. That is one to two out of, what 250ish mid-major teams that hit the jackpot, and another handful that get a little bit of recognition here and there. And when it happens, that is great! I know because UNI was that team in 2010 (and to a lesser extent 2016 after the halfcourt shot) and it was awesome. One of the most fun weeks of my life being a sports fan. However, most teams don’t have a moment like this, and even a smaller few have it happen more than once. A healthy chunk (I think about half) of college basketball teams have never won an NCAA game, most have never been to the Sweet 16, and a huge chunk of F4 berths have gone to the same handful of programs.

My point is that you don’t become a fan of an MVC team if the most important thing to you is national recognition and branding. It can happen….it has happened to two (current) MVC teams in the last decade…..but if you’re in it for that you’re going to be disappointed 99.9% of the time. Typically, you support an MVC school because you have a connection or a pride in that school. Maybe (usually) it is your alma mater and your loyalties are drawn to that. Maybe it’s a family thing, or a point of pride for your hometown. Whatever it is, its not because the most important thing to you is winning national titles and having Scott Van Pelt and Steven A Smith talk about your team. If that was the most important thing, you’re in the wrong place. You should be a Duke fan or something.

My FCS football fandom is similar. I don’t support UNI football because of the opportunity for national recognition. I support UNI football because UNI is my alma mater and I love college football and I am always going to have loyalty to my alma mater. The FCS title is impotant to me for that reason, and I care more about that than I do the FBS title game. I don’t care that most college football fans don’t follow FCS. It does not matter to me. There is an FCS community out there that follows it, and most FCS games (while they pale in comparision to the power leagues) still have thousands of people in attendance. I understand that most of my friends don’t care, they humor me when I talk about it (as long as I listen to them talk about the B10 and B12 too) because they know I am passionate about it and they respect that.

You don’t have to follow FCS, that’s fine if you don’t care. I am not telling you that you have to care. You don’t. But what annoys me is when other people, especially fans of fricken MVC basketball teams, tell me that I shouldn’t care about FCS because it is “JV football”. You of all people should understand that isn’t what it is about. It is a double-standard in my opinion, and I am quite frankly getting tired of seeing it.

Go UNI, go MVC, go FCS!

*Steps off soapbox
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Re: (non-MVC) Realignment News

Postby mvfcfan » January 27th, 2020, 6:02 pm

I am glad someone else is finally stepping up to the plate with me. For one thing I am one of the very few people that I know of that actually gives a darn about ISU and is passionate about them.

I do get tired of hearing about JV football, especially from a Valpo fan. If you want to play against programs and fan bases that don't care about football, then you should have stayed in the Horizon League. For those of you that have MVFC football (or even PFL) and actually enjoy college football, you need to get out and actually support your program and school. The MVFC puts out very high quality football year after year. They call it the "SEC of the FCS" for a reason. It might not be P5 quality, but last time I checked basketball isn't either.
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