Little Rock to the OVC

[mvfcfan]

I'm about done with the MVC. I hope Indiana State moves to the Horizon League if this is true. Being involved more in the Indianapolis market would do more for us than KC and Dallas combined. I don't see why ISU should be subsidizing private schools and their lousy enrollments. I'd like to congratulate the private schools for dragging the MVC down even more. Four of the 5 schools (I'm including Belmont) have no fan support, and three of them completely suck in basketball. No wonder Wichita, Creighton, and Loyola couldn't wait to leave. Loyola probably wasn't impressed by Arlington or UMKC either, which is why they contacted the A10. Why Missouri State didn't beg the CUSA for an invite is beyond me. They'll live to regret that one I'm sure.

The Valley could've saved itself in the basketball world by just going to 11 with Murray State, but instead the idiot presidents and the idiots in St Louis can't help but drink the kool aid when it comes to markets. It's an athletics league not an academic league. If your enrollment sucks then maybe your school sucks or costs too much. There's a thought.

[tribecalledquest]

I'm about done with the MVC. I hope Indiana State moves to the Horizon League if this is true. Being involved more in the Indianapolis market would do more for us than KC and Dallas combined. I don't see why ISU should be subsidizing private schools and their lousy enrollments. I'd like to congratulate the private schools for dragging the MVC down even more. Four of the 5 schools (I'm including Belmont) have no fan support, and three of them completely suck in basketball. No wonder Wichita, Creighton, and Loyola couldn't wait to leave. Loyola probably wasn't impressed by Arlington or UMKC either, which is why they contacted the A10. Why Missouri State didn't beg the CUSA for an invite is beyond me. They'll live to regret that one I'm sure.

The Valley could've saved itself in the basketball world by just going to 11 with Murray State, but instead the idiot presidents and the idiots in St Louis can't help but drink the kool aid when it comes to markets. It's an athletics league not an academic league. If your enrollment sucks then maybe your school sucks or costs too much. There's a thought.

This is certainly a take.

[municup14]

I'm about done with the MVC. I hope Indiana State moves to the Horizon League if this is true. Being involved more in the Indianapolis market would do more for us than KC and Dallas combined. I don't see why ISU should be subsidizing private schools and their lousy enrollments. I'd like to congratulate the private schools for dragging the MVC down even more. Four of the 5 schools (I'm including Belmont) have no fan support, and three of them completely suck in basketball. No wonder Wichita, Creighton, and Loyola couldn't wait to leave. Loyola probably wasn't impressed by Arlington or UMKC either, which is why they contacted the A10. Why Missouri State didn't beg the CUSA for an invite is beyond me. They'll live to regret that one I'm sure.

The Valley could've saved itself in the basketball world by just going to 11 with Murray State, but instead the idiot presidents and the idiots in St Louis can't help but drink the kool aid when it comes to markets. It's an athletics league not an academic league. If your enrollment sucks then maybe your school sucks or costs too much. There's a thought.

My team,UE is one of those lousy teams your talking about ,but Indiana St. isn't. UE ranked top 3 in attendance
probably the last 5 years or more,your Indiana St. was toward the bottom. As far as saying that Loyoya couldn't wait to bolt they were bottom 8 in the conference in attendance. On a side note,could you imagine how many fans would be in the seats at UE and Indiana St. If we had some of the teams that Loyola had the last 3 years.There attendance is horrible.

[mvfcfan]

I'm about done with the MVC. I hope Indiana State moves to the Horizon League if this is true. Being involved more in the Indianapolis market would do more for us than KC and Dallas combined. I don't see why ISU should be subsidizing private schools and their lousy enrollments. I'd like to congratulate the private schools for dragging the MVC down even more. Four of the 5 schools (I'm including Belmont) have no fan support, and three of them completely suck in basketball. No wonder Wichita, Creighton, and Loyola couldn't wait to leave. Loyola probably wasn't impressed by Arlington or UMKC either, which is why they contacted the A10. Why Missouri State didn't beg the CUSA for an invite is beyond me. They'll live to regret that one I'm sure.

The Valley could've saved itself in the basketball world by just going to 11 with Murray State, but instead the idiot presidents and the idiots in St Louis can't help but drink the kool aid when it comes to markets. It's an athletics league not an academic league. If your enrollment sucks then maybe your school sucks or costs too much. There's a thought.

My team,UE is one of those lousy teams your talking about ,but Indiana St. isn't. UE ranked top 3 in attendance
probably the last 5 years or more,your Indiana St. was toward the bottom. As far as saying that Loyoya couldn't wait to bolt they were bottom 8 in the conference in attendance. On a side note,could you imagine how many fans would be in the seats at UE and Indiana St. If we had some of the teams that Loyola had the last 3 years.There attendance is horrible.

I actually don't think Evansville (or Belmont) are the problem. I can't imagine Evansville is overly excited about the travel to Texas either.

The schools like Bradley, Drake, Valpo, along with maybe Southern and UNI are the problem. They can't keep or attract students and they think dragging the conference into the toilet is the answer. Completely pathetic.

I think ISU and Evansville would both be better off in the Horizon League actually. Indianapolis means far more to our schools than Dallas or Kansas City ever will, yet you don't see us demanding that IUPUI be added for the Indy market. At least the HL won't have crazy travel, unlike the new MVC.

[TBS_20]

This Little Rock news has me feeling relief. Now, I feel the UTA and UMKC rumors are not strong in reality. Sure, they may have been mentioned but I doubt they're added. There is only one crap team that will be added to the Valley and I believe with every ounce of my being That UIC will be the 12th team after Murray is the 11th. Chicago is too large of a market to pass up. That doesnt mean further expansion to 14 is out of the realm of possibility.

[BruinGrad]

There is no reason to relive all of the discussion relative to this, but I really don't want Arlington. I could care less about market (nobody in the metroplex is tuning into an in-conference Arlington basketball game regardless of the conference) and there is nothing about the school or program itself that moves the needle. Combine that with their distance from the traditional footprint and it's way to meh.

And yes, I realize Belmont is outside the traditional MVC footprint, but we are right on the edge (short drives to SIU and Evansville) and once Murray is added there are no breaks in the MVC territory. On top of that Belmont brings solid basketball pedigree that's only getting better, incredible academic tradition, AND a solid market.

Hallelujah a Belmont fan!! Come join the Murray board. We’d love a little friendly banter with you on there.

Actually, there are two on this board. Join the Murray board? I did several years ago and gave Murray a compliment and got blasted. It was so bad that one of the posters came to my defense and that started a world war. Friendly banter? I still read it regularly to glean some information, but I won't post there. Shoot, the posters on the Murray board can't even get along with one another. But, it can be entertaining reading JoeD and Smidge go at one another. I will say that 75Fan is very knowledgeable and actually posts some great information.

[smidge34]

....Shoot, the posters on the Murray board can't even get along with one another.....

Let me take a stab at it, first week on the Internet?

[jackwagon]

Adding UMKC and UTA would be a complete disaster. Not only are you expanding the travel budgets for already non basketball cash strapped programs but they don't even provide any value as basketball programs to the league. Like those schools have never done anything. At least Loyola was close, had history, and a large potential donor base.

How the hell are we going to get multiple bids in a 14 team league with 3 annual anchors in UMKC, UIC, and UTA??

[valleydays]

How the hell are we going to get multiple bids in a 14 team league with 3 annual anchors in UMKC, UIC, and UTA??

Haven't you been paying attention? Apparently it's more important to the presidents of some of these privates to have a chance to recruit a student out of Kansas City once every five years than to garner NCAA Tournament money from a second team in the Dance, assuming they even are aware of that possibility. SMH

[BCPanther]

I'm about done with the MVC. I hope Indiana State moves to the Horizon League if this is true. Being involved more in the Indianapolis market would do more for us than KC and Dallas combined. I don't see why ISU should be subsidizing private schools and their lousy enrollments. I'd like to congratulate the private schools for dragging the MVC down even more. Four of the 5 schools (I'm including Belmont) have no fan support, and three of them completely suck in basketball. No wonder Wichita, Creighton, and Loyola couldn't wait to leave. Loyola probably wasn't impressed by Arlington or UMKC either, which is why they contacted the A10. Why Missouri State didn't beg the CUSA for an invite is beyond me. They'll live to regret that one I'm sure.

The Valley could've saved itself in the basketball world by just going to 11 with Murray State, but instead the idiot presidents and the idiots in St Louis can't help but drink the kool aid when it comes to markets. It's an athletics league not an academic league. If your enrollment sucks then maybe your school sucks or costs too much. There's a thought.

You're so mad about adding schools that bring potential students and fertile recruiting areas that you want to.... go to a worse league, that's locked into one bid, that will give Indiana State far less exposure?

The enrollment problems that everybody in the league not named Missouri State and, to an extent, Illinois State has have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the education or the cost to attend. The problem is all of the population growth in the country is in the west and south. Adding Nashville, Dallas and Kansas City is about getting to where people actually live and have kids.