Which of these team would you be okay with joining the MVC?

[acecard1]

Honestly, I would prefer to leave the tournament at 10 teams regardless of how many we add. Do we really want a 13th place MVC team getting hot and repping the league? If you can't get in the top 10, your season should end at the end of the season.

By that logic, why not just have the top 4 or top 2 play for the league's auto bid?

I'm sure that the Wednesday session will bring thousands to St. Louis.

[Adunk33]

Honestly, I would prefer to leave the tournament at 10 teams regardless of how many we add. Do we really want a 13th place MVC team getting hot and repping the league? If you can't get in the top 10, your season should end at the end of the season.

By that logic, why not just have the top 4 or top 2 play for the league's auto bid?

I'm sure that the Wednesday session will bring thousands to St. Louis.

That's why I'm not for the expansion to 14. If you go 12, you get 4 games Thursday, top 4 seeds get a bye to Friday and 4 games Friday. I believe it'd look like:

Thursday:
5/12
6/11
7/10
8/9

Friday:
1/(8/9)
2/(7/10)
3/(6/11)
4/(5/12)

That'd be a fun tournament and bring more value to Thursday with a full day of games. I would not be for going to 14 and having 11/14 and 12/13 playing on a Wednesday night. That'd basically be what Thursday is now but worse because it'd likely be UTA, UMKC, UE, and idk, UIC for the first couple of years?

[MissouriValleyUnite]

Can you cite the article you referenced? Because it's wrong. UND reported $578,222 in media rights for 2020 and $280,000 for 2019.

Remember, these are the individual media rights specifically for football, not athletic department, which that number is almost certainly the latter. (Article notes UND isn’t included because they hadn’t yet started MVFC play.)
https://thesouthern.com/sports/college/ ... 3dcac.html

But I looked up UND’s media rights contract. It’s 5-years/$1.425M for all home hockey games, all home football games, five men’s basketball games, five women’s basketball games, four women’s hockey games, and three volleyball matches. So $285k AAV with majority of that value being in hockey.
http://blogs.und.edu/uletter/2016/08/at ... agreement/

[nodak651]

Can you cite the article you referenced? Because it's wrong. UND reported $578,222 in media rights for 2020 and $280,000 for 2019.

Remember, these are the individual media rights specifically for football, not athletic department, which that number is probably the latter. (Article notes UND isn’t included because they hadn’t yet started MVFC play.)
https://thesouthern.com/sports/college/ ... 3dcac.html

But I looked up UND’s media rights contract. It’s 5-years/$1.425M for all home hockey games, all home football games, five men’s basketball games, five women’s basketball games, four women’s hockey games, and three volleyball matches. So $285k AAV with majority of that value being in hockey.
http://blogs.und.edu/uletter/2016/08/at ... agreement/

Thanks for following up. The only correction/clarification is that Midco doesn't have the rights to home hockey games that are broadcast on CBSSN, and they also do not have streaming rights for hockey. For example Midco recently released a streaming platform and hockey isn't included. The UND/Midco contract was signed and negotiated when UND was still in the Big Sky playing teams from the Pacific Time zone. It will be interesting to see how much the contract value changes when it is renewed here shortly, now that UND is playing home games vs the Dakota schools (which are within the Midco coverage footprint) and against other MVFC teams (which will make the games of interest to fans of other schools within Midco's footprint).

Looking up the 2020 NCAA report, UND officially allocated 280K to "non specific teams", which I assume is the department-wide Midco contract. They allocated 3K to football, which I would assume is for some sort of non tv revenue. And the remaining $295,2222 was allocated to hockey, which I believe is UND's cut of NCHC's streaming revenue, as the conference kicks 80% of school affiliated revenue back to the schools (subscribers select their fan allegiance when subscribing). Curious to see if Fenton implements a similar streaming package for the Summit league, but taking basketball and hypothetically football of of ESPN+ would be controversial. However, as you can see, there is a decent chunk of money that can be made as a result, and that's 300k for hockey-only steaming. I'm not trying to prop up hockey, rather I am pointing out the revenue potential for combined Summit/MVFC football and basketball vs the chump change these schools currently get from their conferences. For example, UNI in 2020 only reported 50K in media revenue, which is supposed to included media revenue distributed by the MVC, and $555,754 in all other revenue distributed by the MVC.

[SalukiWorld]

Honestly, I would prefer to leave the tournament at 10 teams regardless of how many we add. Do we really want a 13th place MVC team getting hot and repping the league? If you can't get in the top 10, your season should end at the end of the season.

By that logic, why not just have the top 4 or top 2 play for the league's auto bid?

I'm sure that the Wednesday session will bring thousands to St. Louis.

Should do the first round on campus really. Would probably save the league a ton of $$$

[IllinoisState]

By that logic, why not just have the top 4 or top 2 play for the league's auto bid?

I'm sure that the Wednesday session will bring thousands to St. Louis.

Should do the first round on campus really. Would probably save the league a ton of $$$

And lose a lot of eyes.

[mvfcfan]

I'd just do 12 for Arch Madness if we had 14, with 13 & 14 sitting at home. I think there's quite a few people that would should up to Thursday if there were 4 games being played that day. Plus the top 4 seeds get rewarded with a bye to Friday. Having Wednesday games would just be a waste of everyone's time.

[BCPanther]

It's low major bullshit to not invite everyone or have them on campus.

How is more Arch Madness possibly a bad thing?

[racernation]

It's low major bullshit to not invite everyone or have them on campus.

How is more Arch Madness possibly a bad thing?

Whoever finishes last, next to last or whatever shouldn't have a chance to go to the NCAA tournament. I don't understand how that's "low-major". If that's true, let's have a 358-team NCAA Tournament. Or all NFL teams play for the Superbowl in the playoffs.

I'd go so far to say only invite the top six teams with byes for first and second seeds.

[tribecalledquest]

It's low major bullshit to not invite everyone or have them on campus.

How is more Arch Madness possibly a bad thing?

Whoever finishes last, next to last or whatever shouldn't have a chance to go to the NCAA tournament. I don't understand how that's "low-major". If that's true, let's have a 358-team NCAA Tournament. Or all NFL teams play for the Superbowl in the playoffs.

I'd go so far to say only invite the top six teams with byes for first and second seeds.

Hard pass on the byes.