Scheduling Going Forward

[Birdfan2018]

It's going to be 20. Who you miss will be on a random rotation and TV partners will have some say in it as well.

No stupid low major gimmicked tournament. Straight 12 team bracket where the top 4 get byes.

That’s how the PAC-12 does it.

[BearsCountry]

How about asking how the Big 12, SEC did with 12 instead of the Horizon?

Do you remember how they did it? How many Missouri Valley teams are former Big 12, SEC teams?

Big 12 and SEC used an 18 game schedule. Home and away with division and other division 6 games split between home and away alternate location every other year. 4 day seeded bracket tournament.

Former MVC members in Big 12:
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Former MVC members in SEC:
Missouri

[Birdfan2018]

How about asking how the Big 12, SEC did with 12 instead of the Horizon?

Do you remember how they did it? How many Missouri Valley teams are former Big 12, SEC teams?

Big 12 and SEC used an 18 game schedule. Home and away with division and other division 6 games split between home and away alternate location every other year. 4 day seeded bracket tournament.

Former MVC members in Big 12:
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Former MVC members in SEC:
Missouri

The question of “How many Missouri Valley teams are Former Big 12/SEC teams”? The answer is Zero. That is why I specifically named the Horizon. And that was because Loyola has fans on here; Valparaiso has fans on here, UIC possibly has fans on here. The Big 12 does not have fans on here, neither does the SEC. As far as where former Missouri Valley teams are now, I am aware of where they are.

[tribecalledquest]

Looks like it will end up being 20 and that is fine with me... I would love 16 conference games if everyone would do their part when scheduling, but that is not going to happen.
Just curious... Why do you like 22 games?

For the reasons you mentioned.

Every team will be adding four games with Murray State and Belmont (obviously replacing Loyola with UIC). If you take those games away there is no chance Valley schools will schedule four games as good as those.

[Action10]

Looks like it will end up being 20 and that is fine with me... I would love 16 conference games if everyone would do their part when scheduling, but that is not going to happen.
Just curious... Why do you like 22 games?

For the reasons you mentioned.

Every team will be adding four games with Murray State and Belmont (obviously replacing Loyola with UIC). If you take those games away there is no chance Valley schools will schedule four games as good as those.

I see what you are saying, but thinking like that is the problem. The WCC went to 16 games to appease Gonzaga, but it helped BYU, San Francisco, and St. Mary's BECAUSE THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE SCHEDULING FREEDOM THAT ALLOWED THEM. Are MVC schools capable of taking the same advantage? Are the athletic departments and basketball staffs at those three schools way ahead of those at Bradley, Illinois State, and Southern Illinois?
I agree with you about scheduling games with bad teams, but that burden falls on the schools and their coaching staff. If the conference office decided to go to 22 games, it would have then hampered Drake, Loyola, and Northern Iowa this season when putting together solid non-conference schedule.
To me, 22 is clearly not a good choice.

[Chuck A]

Right. Arch Madness will be pretty straight forward.

Thursday (1st Round) Bally Sports/NBC Sports Chicago
12pm 8v9
230pm 5v12
6pm 7v10
830pm 6v11

Friday (Quarterfinals) Bally Sports/NBC Sports Chicago
12pm 1v8
230pm 4v5
6pm 2v7
830pm 3v6

Saturday (Semifinals) CBSSN
230pm 1v4
5pm 2v3

Sunday (Championship) CBS
1pm 1v2

What if there are upsets and things don't go chalk? Does #1 seed now get #12, #2 gets #11, etc?

[MissouriValleyUnite]

No re-seeding. They want as many hours between games from one day to the next as possible, and re-seeding would cause say the 11-seed going from playing 830pm on Thursday to Noon on Friday.

[BCPanther]

Looks like it will end up being 20 and that is fine with me... I would love 16 conference games if everyone would do their part when scheduling, but that is not going to happen.
Just curious... Why do you like 22 games?

For the reasons you mentioned.

Every team will be adding four games with Murray State and Belmont (obviously replacing Loyola with UIC). If you take those games away there is no chance Valley schools will schedule four games as good as those.

I see what you are saying, but thinking like that is the problem. The WCC went to 16 games to appease Gonzaga, but it helped BYU, San Francisco, and St. Mary's BECAUSE THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE SCHEDULING FREEDOM THAT ALLOWED THEM. Are MVC schools capable of taking the same advantage? Are the athletic departments and basketball staffs at those three schools way ahead of those at Bradley, Illinois State, and Southern Illinois?
I agree with you about scheduling games with bad teams, but that burden falls on the schools and their coaching staff. If the conference office decided to go to 22 games, it would have then hampered Drake, Loyola, and Northern Iowa this season when putting together solid non-conference schedule.
To me, 22 is clearly not a good choice.

Scheduling is always difficult but there are games to be had if you're willing to be flexible and to play on the road.

Problem is that, as a coach, you have to be A) safe enough to be able to take some losses and B) willing to do it.

Jacobson, DeVries and Valentine are there. They're bulletproof and can afford to lose a game without repercussions. There are a bunch of other guys in the league that aren't in that same boat so they have to do whatever they can to schedule wins. It's a tough spot to tell somebody to go out and schedule great and go on the road when they know that extra loss could be the difference between being back next year or not.

I'm not endorsing the insanity that UNI put together this year (and frankly most years at this point) as I think it's actively hurting the program right now but you also can't bring in the SWAC/MEAC parade.

[tribecalledquest]

Scheduling is always difficult but there are games to be had if you're willing to be flexible and to play on the road.

Problem is that, as a coach, you have to be A) safe enough to be able to take some losses and B) willing to do it.

Jacobson, DeVries and Valentine are there. They're bulletproof and can afford to lose a game without repercussions. There are a bunch of other guys in the league that aren't in that same boat so they have to do whatever they can to schedule wins. It's a tough spot to tell somebody to go out and schedule great and go on the road when they know that extra loss could be the difference between being back next year or not.

I'm not endorsing the insanity that UNI put together this year (and frankly most years at this point) as I think it's actively hurting the program right now but you also can't bring in the SWAC/MEAC parade.

See, I kind of disagree with the "need wins" thing. Now, coaches will SAY that - for sure. But, in the end, coaches lose their jobs when they don't win enough in the league. That's the competition.

No coach is getting fired because they played hard non-conference games and didn't fare well. They get fired if they can't stay out of Thursday on a regular basis.

[BCPanther]

Scheduling is always difficult but there are games to be had if you're willing to be flexible and to play on the road.

Problem is that, as a coach, you have to be A) safe enough to be able to take some losses and B) willing to do it.

Jacobson, DeVries and Valentine are there. They're bulletproof and can afford to lose a game without repercussions. There are a bunch of other guys in the league that aren't in that same boat so they have to do whatever they can to schedule wins. It's a tough spot to tell somebody to go out and schedule great and go on the road when they know that extra loss could be the difference between being back next year or not.

I'm not endorsing the insanity that UNI put together this year (and frankly most years at this point) as I think it's actively hurting the program right now but you also can't bring in the SWAC/MEAC parade.

See, I kind of disagree with the "need wins" thing. Now, coaches will SAY that - for sure. But, in the end, coaches lose their jobs when they don't win enough in the league. That's the competition.

No coach is getting fired because they played hard non-conference games and didn't fare well. They get fired if they can't stay out of Thursday on a regular basis.

I don't disagree at all but that's the exact mentality a lot of them have. Look at Marty, he finished above 6th three times in eleven years but because of the pillowy soft non-cons he had the 'you can't fire me, I won 18-22 games' card to play.