Overly Excited Early Season Assessment

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Re: Overly Excited Early Season Assessment

Postby Drakey » November 25th, 2023, 1:53 pm

Valley 7th in RPI now.
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Re: Overly Excited Early Season Assessment

Postby tribecalledquest » November 25th, 2023, 2:00 pm

Wasn’t the transfer portal going to kill leagues like the Valley?
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Re: Overly Excited Early Season Assessment

Postby Chuck A » November 25th, 2023, 2:13 pm

tribecalledquest wrote:Wasn’t the transfer portal going to kill leagues like the Valley?

Yeah, right! I think with the transfer portal along with NIL has evened things out a bit. Granted, a lot of players want to be associated with a P6 program, but I think with the NIL, it gives other players ability to make money while going to a program where they can get some playing time. It kind of closes the gap between the High Majors and Mid Majors, which is forcing the HM hand and causing them to close ranks to get as many teams bunched up as possible.

The transfer portal and the NIL has helped the game. Damn the P6 for trying to subvert it.
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Re: Overly Excited Early Season Assessment

Postby SalukiWorld » November 25th, 2023, 8:39 pm

Chuck A wrote:
tribecalledquest wrote:Wasn’t the transfer portal going to kill leagues like the Valley?

Yeah, right! I think with the transfer portal along with NIL has evened things out a bit. Granted, a lot of players want to be associated with a P6 program, but I think with the NIL, it gives other players ability to make money while going to a program where they can get some playing time. It kind of closes the gap between the High Majors and Mid Majors, which is forcing the HM hand and causing them to close ranks to get as many teams bunched up as possible.

The transfer portal and the NIL has helped the game. Damn the P6 for trying to subvert it.

As much as high major kills Valley schools with the portal, we're also raiding leagues lower than us with portal gets. The portal can hurt you but you can also use it to your advantage and the schools that do it well are succeeding.
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Re: Overly Excited Early Season Assessment

Postby Drakey » November 26th, 2023, 11:20 am

tribecalledquest wrote:Wasn’t the transfer portal going to kill leagues like the Valley?


Yes, and it will. The purpose is to make a larger gap between the P6 and everybody else. In that it has succeeded along with the NET and refusal to schedule good non P6 teams. Our best players leave. We then raid lower majors for their best players. Doesn't mean you can't have a good team, but it's a lot harder and there are much fewer opportunities to show it.
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Re: Overly Excited Early Season Assessment

Postby tribecalledquest » November 26th, 2023, 11:48 am

Drakey wrote:
tribecalledquest wrote:Wasn’t the transfer portal going to kill leagues like the Valley?


Yes, and it will. The purpose is to make a larger gap between the P6 and everybody else. In that it has succeeded along with the NET and refusal to schedule good non P6 teams. Our best players leave. We then raid lower majors for their best players. Doesn't mean you can't have a good team, but it's a lot harder and there are much fewer opportunities to show it.


The evidence and reality is different than the tired “P6 schools are ruining college sports” narrative.
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Re: Overly Excited Early Season Assessment

Postby BEARZ77 » November 26th, 2023, 12:12 pm

tribecalledquest wrote:
Drakey wrote:
tribecalledquest wrote:Wasn’t the transfer portal going to kill leagues like the Valley?


Yes, and it will. The purpose is to make a larger gap between the P6 and everybody else. In that it has succeeded along with the NET and refusal to schedule good non P6 teams. Our best players leave. We then raid lower majors for their best players. Doesn't mean you can't have a good team, but it's a lot harder and there are much fewer opportunities to show it.


The evidence and reality is different than the tired “P6 schools are ruining college sports” narrative.


Both can be true; I don't see the portal as a bad thing, but NIL is being vastly abused and yes the catering to the P-6 is changing college sports to one where there is an obvious gap that is not as big on the court as off in basketball. The gap is huge both on/off the field in football , but who cares at this level; but the gap off the court in basketball is impacting everything from scheduling, MTE tourneys, player movement and recruiting, conference alignment, etc. Scheduling is the single most impactful way to limit access to the upper level of college basketball and we've been locked out for the most part.
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Re: Overly Excited Early Season Assessment

Postby Drakey » November 26th, 2023, 1:56 pm

tribecalledquest wrote:
Drakey wrote:
tribecalledquest wrote:Wasn’t the transfer portal going to kill leagues like the Valley?


Yes, and it will. The purpose is to make a larger gap between the P6 and everybody else. In that it has succeeded along with the NET and refusal to schedule good non P6 teams. Our best players leave. We then raid lower majors for their best players. Doesn't mean you can't have a good team, but it's a lot harder and there are much fewer opportunities to show it.


The evidence and reality is different than the tired “P6 schools are ruining college sports” narrative.

That is some convincing evidence.
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Re: Overly Excited Early Season Assessment

Postby Kyle_Saluki_17 » November 26th, 2023, 3:42 pm

There is plenty of evidence. Some just choose not to see it. They’ll point to FAU in the championship last year and the final 4 overall. But that doesn’t change the fact that very few mid majors got any at large bids. They just happened to perform extremely well, which actually provides an argument that more kids should be in.
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Re: Overly Excited Early Season Assessment

Postby tribecalledquest » November 26th, 2023, 4:47 pm

Kyle_Saluki_17 wrote:There is plenty of evidence. Some just choose not to see it. They’ll point to FAU in the championship last year and the final 4 overall. But that doesn’t change the fact that very few mid majors got any at large bids. They just happened to perform extremely well, which actually provides an argument that more kids should be in.


That is no different than any time in the past. It is what it is. Always has been.
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