Wichita State schedule

[MoValley John]

So they're moving their best home game out of Koch with the worlds greatest home court advantage so they can host the womens tourney? Why not just play an exhibition or buy game there? Are there not enough fans to fill Intrust for someone other than Tulsa?

At this point, the game needs to have positive cashflow. If they played a SWAC team at IBA, it probably wouldn't draw 10,000. And with CKA holding almost 11,000, a move to IBA would only make sense if it was a sell out or near sell out.

Once the fact that more revenue can be derived at IBA, this will justify the notion that there should probably be more games scheduled there. Afterall, Marshall isn't using the potential of four games played at IBA in a player's career as a recruiting tool. That would be silly and unproductive use of time. He is taking the kids to IBA and telling them that there may be many more than that. The first game must be successful to justify more games. That isn't going to happen if the first game is Kennesaw State.

So you think there is a long term plan to move out of Koch to Intrust? While I agree IBA would be a better facility, I think Shox fans would hate to see it happen and to see a half full arena at IBA more often than not.

I think Shocker fans would be very upset if the plan was to move. I also see the tone in which things have been and are being reported. It is being done very carefully. It is being highlighted that ths game MUST take place to satisfy the requirements for hosting the NCAA's. At the same time, they are mentioning that Gregg Marshall is taking recruits to see the place. If it's good enough for Gregg, it should be good enough for Shocker fans.

All that said, one must also keep in mind the political pressure to move more games downtown. That pressure comes from Global Spectrum, Sedgewick County, the CIty of Wichita and every bigwig that has a suite at IBA and wants games played there. They all know a few things: Shocker fans won't like the move, there would be a huge uproar if the changes took place all at once, over time it can be sold and most of all, even if you upset the boosters, if the move is done right they will bitch, moan, complain, but while they grumble they will still pay their donation and buy season tickets. Give it five years.

[WSUbballer]

MVJ has pretty much nailed everything. Bigdawg needs to read more before he posts.

Insert a buy game against a 300 RPI team for any Division I team out there and it's gonna be a struggle to get over 10,000 to come and see it at a non-normal facility. The AD has expressed that he would like to play one game a year at IBA, probably to just mix things around and have a nice connection going with the County on the use of the arena.

The World's Greatest Homecourt Advantage will not be compromised for 1 game a year there. No.1, this game at IBA is included in the season ticket package. And just for being the first Division I game at the place, you're gonna get a good non-season ticket crowd. A lot of WSU fans can't go to games because Koch is sold out so routinely so getting this game gives an extra opportunity for more of them to go. Using a good game like this guarantees that. It would make little sense to throw a Texas Southern out for this one. And that would go for any school.

And WSU is not moving to IBA. We didn't raise $30 million 7 years ago for nothing. Everybody knows the advantages of Koch and I'm sure the WSU administration is no exception. That statement was just completely asinine.

[bigdawg]

MVJ concluded that you'll be playing downtown in 5 years. Did he nail that too?

[WSUbballer]

MVJ concluded that you'll be playing downtown in 5 years. Did he nail that too?

He said "more games". He didn't say an entire season. And if he is implying an entire season (as in a permanent move) he is greatly mistaken.

[bigdawg]

MVJ concluded that you'll be playing downtown in 5 years. Did he nail that too?

He said "more games". He didn't say an entire season. And if he is implying an entire season (as in a permanent move) he is greatly mistaken.

So "more games" is acceptable to Shox fans? Having already stated that the games played at IBA need to be sellouts and that means the better games on the schedule, wouldn't that mean the games played at Koch aren't as critical? And why is renting IBA okay for WSU to play "more games" at, but it doesn't make sense for another Valley school to play all if their games in such an arena even if they get very large crowds. It seems to me that you want it both ways.

[blueblood]

This is some interesting reading. Is it hard to type out of both sides of your mouth?

[WSUbballer]

So "more games" is acceptable to Shox fans? Having already stated that the games played at IBA need to be sellouts and that means the better games on the schedule, wouldn't that mean the games played at Koch aren't as critical? And why is renting IBA okay for WSU to play "more games" at, but it doesn't make sense for another Valley school to play all if their games in such an arena even if they get very large crowds. It seems to me that you want it both ways.

I don't mind a game or two at IBA for a multitude of reasons.

Who said the games at IBA need to be sellouts? Did a WSU fan say that?

The whole rented arena thing has kinda run its course. I dunno why you're so concerned about it all of a sudden. There's a big difference in playing one maybe two of your home games away from your traditional on-campus facility and playing your entire season at an off-campus facility. So your comparisons right off the back are already off. Having an on-campus facility to adequately serve as your host for games without costing you a dime is the preferred way to go. You also don't have to worry about having a rival come to your "home court" and play one of it's "home games" there. You also don't have to compete with, let's say another college's hockey team, for night games and dates. One or two games isn't affected by that. 2% of your home games at another facility doesn't make that facility your home facility. A number close to 100% would be considered your home facility.

Are you trying to make this more than what it is? Are you bored and wanna see some more WSU and CU fireworks or something?

[WSUbballer]

This is some interesting reading. Is it hard to type out of both sides of your mouth?

Solid 7th post.

Great points and discussions as well.

[SubGod22]

One game a year hurts nobody. They're not going to play a number of games there every year. They'd be stupid to do so.

[bigdawg]

Simple yes or no questions:

Do you support WSU playing "more games" at a new downtown arena that the school has to rent?

If your coach thinks playing "more games" at the new downtown arena will attract better players and is showing it to recruits, is that good for your program?