MVCs Freshman of the Year/Newcomers of the Year

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How do we think this is shaping up with only...5 games left? Still Tuttle vs. Moore? Seth has looked awfully good in his past few games, I haven't really followed Nic though

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How do we think this is shaping up with only...5 games left? Still Tuttle vs. Moore? Seth has looked awfully good in his past few games, I haven't really followed Nic though

I think if I were to give the award right now I would give it to Nic Moore then Dantiel Daniels then Seth Tuttle.
But it really could be any of the 3.

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How do we think this is shaping up with only...5 games left? Still Tuttle vs. Moore? Seth has looked awfully good in his past few games, I haven't really followed Nic though

I think if I were to give the award right now I would give it to Nic Moore then Dantiel Daniels then Seth Tuttle.
But it really could be any of the 3.

Ah I did not realize Daniels was having such a productive season but I would agree he is in the discussion. However, looking at the season stats I would have to say Tuttle has the advantage. He has 100 less minutes played than Moore, yet he has more FG's made, is shooting an impressive .659 from the field and has half the turnovers (52/26) there is little other parity in their stats other than Moore having more assists and Tuttle naturally having more rebounds (both by considerable amounts due to their positions). Daniels is kinda in the middle of both of them, nothing really separates him from those 2 other than his 40 blocks compared to Seth's 12 and Moore's 0. I think we'll need the rest of the season to settle this one

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How do we think this is shaping up with only...5 games left? Still Tuttle vs. Moore? Seth has looked awfully good in his past few games, I haven't really followed Nic though

I think if I were to give the award right now I would give it to Nic Moore then Dantiel Daniels then Seth Tuttle.
But it really could be any of the 3.

Ah I did not realize Daniels was having such a productive season but I would agree he is in the discussion. However, looking at the season stats I would have to say Tuttle has the advantage. He has 100 less minutes played than Moore, yet he has more FG's made, is shooting an impressive .659 from the field and has half the turnovers (52/26) there is little other parity in their stats other than Moore having more assists and Tuttle naturally having more rebounds (both by considerable amounts due to their positions). Daniels is kinda in the middle of both of them, nothing really separates him from those 2 other than his 40 blocks compared to Seth's 12 and Moore's 0. I think we'll need the rest of the season to settle this one

I think that minutes does not play a role in it. If you are playing more minutes it's because it's the best you got. Nic has shown a lot of leadership skills as well that are not the norm for a freshman. Of course Tuttle should have a better FG% being a big down low. Nic has been leading his team to wins. I do think we will have to see how the rest of it plays out. Could come down to that game @ UNI to see who outplays who. But I think Daniels is very much in the discussion. It also might come down to how well the teams end up. For example, if Nic is able to lead the birds to the MVC Tourney finals it would make for a new spin on things. We will have to wait and see.

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Which one is more important or valuable to their team. The Birds have really improved this year while UNI has really dropped this year. Also, Christian Kirk has really solved a lot of the Bears rebounding problems since inserted into the lineup. That would be another way to show value without great stats.

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Which one is more important or valuable to their team. The Birds have really improved this year while UNI has really dropped this year. Also, Christian Kirk has really solved a lot of the Bears rebounding problems since inserted into the lineup. That would be another way to show value without great stats.

I agree that this is the way to look at it and that is why I said Nic Moore is most important than Daniels and then Tuttle. Christian Kirk is an interesting one because he has really stepped up in the absence of Caleb Patterson and put forth a good effort and taking up some good minutes. He is not in the running however for FOY. Too good of a freshman class this year.

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I really wasn't trying to get Kirk into the discussion for FOY (all frosh team?) but using his value to the team to demonstrate value without great stats. The Bears really were getting beat badly on the boards before Kirk was inserted in the starting lineup (before Patterson injury). The Bears are a much more stable team now. Likewise, the Birds really lacked at point last year and struggled because of it. In steps Nic and the Birds are much better. Tuttle is filling a hole that didn't exist last year but would be huge without him. The Panthers are not near the team though with tuttle that they were without him. All that to say, Moore has had a much bigger impact on his team. Not a stat but a tool to measure.

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Ireally wasn't trying to get Kirk into the discussion for FOY (all frosh team?) but using his value to the team to demonstrate value without great stats. The Bears really were getting beat badly on the boards before Kirk was inserted in the starting lineup (before Patterson injury). The Bears are a much more stable team now. Likewise, the Birds really lacked at point last year and struggled because of it. In steps Nic and the Birds are much better. Tuttle is filling a hole that didn't exist last year but would be huge without him. The Panthers are not near the team though with tuttle that they were without him. All that to say, Moore has had a much bigger impact on his team. Not a stat but a tool to measure.

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I really wasn't trying to get Kirk into the discussion for FOY (all frosh team?) but using his value to the team to demonstrate value without great stats. The Bears really were getting beat badly on the boards before Kirk was inserted in the starting lineup (before Patterson injury). The Bears are a much more stable team now. Likewise, the Birds really lacked at point last year and struggled because of it. In steps Nic and the Birds are much better. Tuttle is filling a hole that didn't exist last year but would be huge without him. The Panthers are not near the team though with tuttle that they were without him. All that to say, Moore has had a much bigger impact on his team. Not a stat but a tool to measure.

Did you just refer to Moore as a tool? Not cool man.

I think it comes down to where the teams finish. If UNI claws its way back up and Tuttle continues to lead the league in shooting %, I think he takes it. If ISU and MSU stay ahead of UNI in the standings, I think it likely goes to Moore over Kirk. I think Daniels makes the 4th member of the all-frosh team, don't know who #5 may be.

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I really wasn't trying to get Kirk into the discussion for FOY (all frosh team?) but using his value to the team to demonstrate value without great stats. The Bears really were getting beat badly on the boards before Kirk was inserted in the starting lineup (before Patterson injury). The Bears are a much more stable team now. Likewise, the Birds really lacked at point last year and struggled because of it. In steps Nic and the Birds are much better. Tuttle is filling a hole that didn't exist last year but would be huge without him. The Panthers are not near the team though with tuttle that they were without him. All that to say, Moore has had a much bigger impact on his team. Not a stat but a tool to measure.

Did you just refer to Moore as a tool? Not cool man.

I think it comes down to where the teams finish. If UNI claws its way back up and Tuttle continues to lead the league in shooting %, I think he takes it. If ISU and MSU stay ahead of UNI in the standings, I think it likely goes to Moore over Kirk. I think Daniels makes the 4th member of the all-frosh team, don't know who #5 may be.

Daniels is waaaaaay above Kirk in FOY standings. It really is not close there. If SIU plays out of Thursday, he might win it. He is absolutely in the discussion!

FOY team right now in no order is...

Moore
Tuttle
Daniels
Sawvell
Jeffers

Plus Jeffers will need to step up more with Simons out so we will see how that plays out.