Bracketology - 2012 edition

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Re: Bracketology - 2012 edition

Postby BirdmanBB » February 29th, 2012, 4:19 pm

shocktheheart wrote:Jason King of ESPN not real high on Creighton right now. This was from his chat today.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/42691

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something about that 21-point loss to Wichita State - at home - made me put the bluejays on the back burner a bit. But hey, at least you came back and dominated Evansville and Indiana State. Oh wait ...


That's a fair enough statement. WSU is clearly the team out of the valley that everyone is thinking will be a sleeper of sorts.

To be honest, I am not super high on CU either. I want to see how they do in the valley tourney. They put on great showing early, especially winning against an athletic SDSU team, but struggled against Long Beach St. at home. What happens when they run into another fast paced athletic team on a neutral court in the NCAA tourney that is bigger than LBSU? A 3rd matchup against WSU would be very telling on their chances but it also has a lot to do with matchups. Up-Tempo teams can kill them, but I think they hold an advantage over half-court slow the tempo type of teams.
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Re: Bracketology - 2012 edition

Postby shocktheheart » February 29th, 2012, 4:25 pm

BirdmanBB wrote:
shocktheheart wrote:Jason King of ESPN not real high on Creighton right now. This was from his chat today.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/42691

John (Omaha)

Wichita! Wichita! Wichita! Have you forgotten about Creighton?

Jason King
(4:07 PM)

something about that 21-point loss to Wichita State - at home - made me put the bluejays on the back burner a bit. But hey, at least you came back and dominated Evansville and Indiana State. Oh wait ...


That's a fair enough statement. WSU is clearly the team out of the valley that everyone is thinking will be a sleeper of sorts.

To be honest, I am not super high on CU either. I want to see how they do in the valley tourney. They put on great showing early, especially winning against an athletic SDSU team, but struggled against Long Beach St. at home. What happens when they run into another fast paced athletic team on a neutral court in the NCAA tourney that is bigger than LBSU? A 3rd matchup against WSU would be very telling on their chances but it also has a lot to do with matchups. Up-Tempo teams can kill them, but I think they hold an advantage over half-court slow the tempo type of teams.



Totally agree on your breakdown of Creighton. The problem is that they like to run and score and they have problems with teams that can do the same thing.
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Re: Bracketology - 2012 edition

Postby DoubleJayAlum » February 29th, 2012, 6:03 pm

shocktheheart wrote:Totally agree on your breakdown of Creighton. The problem is that they like to run and score and they have problems with teams that can do the same thing.

I don't think your analysis is right at all. Creighton really struggles against teams that slow it down and play physically. The Jays play the best in uptempo games.

Yes, the Shocks blew us out last game, but we did win in Wichita.
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Re: Bracketology - 2012 edition

Postby Jet915 » February 29th, 2012, 6:28 pm

I can see CU losing to a lower seed in the tournament or winning a couple games. Who knows, it really comes down to shooting, if we are hitting, we have a great chance of winning. If we are not, we are screwed. Our defense more times than not will not save us if we are not shooting well.
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Re: Bracketology - 2012 edition

Postby Wufan » February 29th, 2012, 7:12 pm

Jet915 wrote:I can see CU losing to a lower seed in the tournament or winning a couple games. Who knows, it really comes down to shooting, if we are hitting, we have a great chance of winning. If we are not, we are screwed. Our defense more times than not will not save us if we are not shooting well.


I was right with you until that last statement.
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Re: Bracketology - 2012 edition

Postby DUBulldog » February 29th, 2012, 7:59 pm

Wufan wrote:
Jet915 wrote:I can see CU losing to a lower seed in the tournament or winning a couple games. Who knows, it really comes down to shooting, if we are hitting, we have a great chance of winning. If we are not, we are screwed. Our defense more times than not will not save us if we are not shooting well.


I was right with you until that last statement.


I had to re-read it a couple of times....he's saying that CU's defense won't save them when they're not shooting well.
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Re: Bracketology - 2012 edition

Postby Jet915 » February 29th, 2012, 9:16 pm

DUBulldog wrote:
Wufan wrote:
Jet915 wrote:I can see CU losing to a lower seed in the tournament or winning a couple games. Who knows, it really comes down to shooting, if we are hitting, we have a great chance of winning. If we are not, we are screwed. Our defense more times than not will not save us if we are not shooting well.


I was right with you until that last statement.


I had to re-read it a couple of times....he's saying that CU's defense won't save them when they're not shooting well.


Yep, you probably said it better than me!
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Re: Bracketology - 2012 edition

Postby Wufan » March 1st, 2012, 6:54 am

My mistake. Yeah, I agree. CU wins when their shots are falling.
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Re: Bracketology - 2012 edition

Postby Khan4Cats » March 1st, 2012, 9:16 am

I'll probably get blasted but oh well:

I think CU is in trouble in the NCAAs. They can't slow the game down defensively to stymie the high-powered teams. Most of the schools they'll run into can score with them AND defend. If Echinique gets in foul trouble, they have no depth in the post against some of the bigger schools, Artino and Dougie can't hold the fort down. Their guards need to be firing on all cylinders and they just look too inconsistent, plus I think the extra time off may help their legs but put rust into their game. It's going to take a favorable match-up for them to advance. Creighton has to outscore people to win. Problem is in the NCAAs, teams can defend, too.

I think Wichita State is capable of playing with anybody, any style, and beating them. They have depth and balance and can beat you by outscoring you or just plain keeping you from scoring, however the game goes. If anyone gets in foul trouble, there are back-ups that can step in and have little drop-off.
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Re: Bracketology - 2012 edition

Postby shocktheheart » March 1st, 2012, 9:18 am

Palm's new bracket out and WSU a 4 and Creighton a 6.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology
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