WSU's Gregg Marshall Publicly Reprimanded by MVC

[DoubleJayAlum]

It's also not much of a stretch to comment that that game didn't appear to be a neutral court game.

Actually, it is a pretty big stretch.

I think Marshall has a right to stand up for his players and not let them be abused by "strange" officiating.

If the abuse is so blatant and the players are in the immediate physical peril you paint in your post, why wait until after the game to draw your line in the sand? Isn't the abuse over by then? Who exactly are you protecting then?

[Aargh]

It's also not much of a stretch to comment that that game didn't appear to be a neutral court game.

Actually, it is a pretty big stretch.

I think Marshall has a right to stand up for his players and not let them be abused by "strange" officiating.

If the abuse is so blatant and the players are in the immediate physical peril you paint in your post, why wait until after the game to draw your line in the sand? Isn't the abuse over by then? Who exactly are you protecting then?

Uh, because the protests during the game were ignored??

There was already an issue between WSU and Self based on the game at DU. There were multiple questionable calls late in that game that all went in DU's favor.

I'd say it's pretty high odds that Marshall complained strenuously about the officiating in that game and Marshall's complaints were communicated to Self. Then the MVC assigned Self to a game that apparently Elgin wanted IlSU to win. Elgin's "Almost - almost" comment after the IlSU loss to CU pretty much paints the picture that Elgin wanted a team other than CU or WSU to win in St. Lou.

[vancedave56]

:rock:

Are we done yet?

...guess not

I think everyone gets both sides of the argument...or maybe they don't. Either way, neither side is ever going to convince the other side to see it their way.

It is pointless.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion - that makes neither more correct. Even if we think we are reciting facts, it still will not change another's opinion.

[Aces1982]

It's also not much of a stretch to comment that that game didn't appear to be a neutral court game.

Actually, it is a pretty big stretch.

I think Marshall has a right to stand up for his players and not let them be abused by "strange" officiating.

If the abuse is so blatant and the players are in the immediate physical peril you paint in your post, why wait until after the game to draw your line in the sand? Isn't the abuse over by then? Who exactly are you protecting then?

Uh, because the protests during the game were ignored??

There was already an issue between WSU and Self based on the game at DU. There were multiple questionable calls late in that game that all went in DU's favor.

I'd say it's pretty high odds that Marshall complained strenuously about the officiating in that game and Marshall's complaints were communicated to Self. Then the MVC assigned Self to a game that apparently Elgin wanted IlSU to win. Elgin's "Almost - almost" comment after the IlSU loss to CU pretty much paints the picture that Elgin wanted a team other than CU or WSU to win in St. Lou.

Bahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

[valleychamp]

Elgin's "Almost - almost" comment after the IlSU loss to CU pretty much paints the picture that Elgin wanted a team other than CU or WSU to win in St. Lou.

gee, ya think?

[DoubleJayAlum]

It's also not much of a stretch to comment that that game didn't appear to be a neutral court game.

Actually, it is a pretty big stretch.

I think Marshall has a right to stand up for his players and not let them be abused by "strange" officiating.

If the abuse is so blatant and the players are in the immediate physical peril you paint in your post, why wait until after the game to draw your line in the sand? Isn't the abuse over by then? Who exactly are you protecting then?

Uh, because the protests during the game were ignored??

There was already an issue between WSU and Self based on the game at DU. There were multiple questionable calls late in that game that all went in DU's favor.

I'd say it's pretty high odds that Marshall complained strenuously about the officiating in that game and Marshall's complaints were communicated to Self. Then the MVC assigned Self to a game that apparently Elgin wanted IlSU to win. Elgin's "Almost - almost" comment after the IlSU loss to CU pretty much paints the picture that Elgin wanted a team other than CU or WSU to win in St. Lou.

Oh my God....

For future reference, can you please tell us all which officials have it in for Marshall? I'd like a comprehensive list.

I'd also like a list of the officials that WSU fans are convinced will call a fair game.

[cpacmel]

[vancedave56]

Notice how they just keep going back and forth, and nobody is winning the duel?

[Aces1982]

In this..."conspiracy" game. Correct me if I am wrong, but at the end of OT the clock did not start on time. The game could have been over right then and there. If everyone was out to get Wichita, why wasn't the game called at that moment??? The officials even went to the monitors.

It also seems as Shocker fans can't complain about the 1.9 seconds as it seems they got most of that time back at the end of OT in this game.

[rlh04d]

Bob Knight Jr.

Trimming off the rest of your post for brevity's sake, but that's a terrible comparison.

Coach Marshall is emotional and intensely driven to win. He shares very few of Knight's negative qualities, though. He has always been very respectful to his players and those around him ... he has nothing even resembling the awful controversies that surrounded Knight, which, for reflection's sake, I've trimmed down and included from Wikipedia's list:

- Choked and punched IU's longtime sports information director, Kit Klingelhoffer, in the 1970s, over a news release that upset the coach.
- Knight was accused of assaulting a police officer while coaching the US Basketball team before a practice session in Puerto Rico.
- Knight threw a chair across the court to protest a referee's call during a game against the rival Purdue Boilermakers.
- "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it." Knight's comment was in reference to an Indiana basketball game in which he felt the referees were making poor calls against the Hoosiers.
- Knight was shown berating an NCAA volunteer at a March 1995 post-game press conference following a 65–60 loss to Missouri in the first round of the NCAA tournament held in Boise, Idaho.
- Former IU player Neil Reed alleged that Knight had grabbed him by the neck in a choking manner during a 1997 practice. A videotape of the incident was shown on CNN.
- On February 19, 2000, Clarence Doninger, Knight's boss, alleged to have been physically threatened by the coach during a confrontation after a game.
- An IU investigation inquired about an allegation in which Knight berated and physically intimidated a university secretary, once throwing a potted plant in anger, showering her with glass and debris. The University later asked the coach to issue an apology to the secretary.
- It was alleged that Knight attacked assistant coach Ron Felling, throwing him out of a chair after overhearing him criticizing the basketball program in a phone conversation.
- On September 8, 2000, IU freshman Kent Harvey told campus police Knight grabbed him roughly by the arm and berated him for speaking to the coach disrespectfully.
- In March 2006, a student's heckling at Baylor University resulted in Knight having to be restrained by a police officer.
- On November 13, 2006, Knight was shown allegedly hitting player Michael Prince under the chin to get him to make eye contact.
- On October 21, 2007, James Simpson of Lubbock, Texas, accused Knight of firing a shotgun in his direction after he yelled at Knight and another man for hunting too close to his home.

I don't care what your opinion of Coach Marshall is, that man has never done anything that even resembles the absolutely detestable actions of Coach Knight. Coach Marshall could get a "public reprimand" from the MVC every single year for the next twenty years and not once match even one of those.

If you have one instance of Coach Marshall raising a hand to one of his players or anyone, involved in his program or not, then we can start a "Bob Knight, Jr." comparison. If you even have any instances of him raising his voice to his own players significantly more than the average coach does, maybe I'll give you the slightest bit of leeway on that comparison. But being emotional about a loss and wanting to win does not make you comparable to that violent, misogynistic asshole, as much as you want to make the opposition look as bad as possible.

He coaches against you and that automatically makes him the enemy. I get it. I don't like McDermott either, and I'm resisting the urge to say anything negative about him here. But have the intellectual honesty not to immediately jump to comparing a man who has by all accounts been a quality coach and a good person to someone who by all accounts is a terrible person just because he made a comment that you don't like and is emotional about winning (and losing). Let's take a little bit of perspective on this issue ... he made a stupid comment about the officials, he didn't choke them or throw a chair at them.

This issue is stupid. The officiating was bad in that game. The shooting by the Shockers was worse. They lost, Marshall didn't take it well, he said something he shouldn't have said in a post game interview, he got a slap on the wrist for it.

I'm far past bored of Shocker fans that don't want to lay any responsibility for the loss on the shoulders of 30% shooting, and of fans from other colleges who want to pile on at the slightest provocation because they're jealous that WSU is getting more media attention than them this year.

At the end of the day, he said something stupid, he was punished with nothing above a slap on the wrist, and the issue was over. He should probably handle his complaints regarding games in the future in a more behind-the-scenes fashion.