Gregg Marshall made $1,482,000.00 this year

[Kyle]

I for one am very proud to be a Shocker fan and can't wait to see what's to come of one of the best recruiting classes the Valley has seen in a loooong time.

The last time we heard this type of claim was in 2008 with SIU's class.

[C0|db|00ded]

I for one am very proud to be a Shocker fan and can't wait to see what's to come of one of the best recruiting classes the Valley has seen in a loooong time.

The last time we heard this type of claim was in 2008 with SIU's class.

That is correct. And that marked the beginning of the end for SIU-C as we knew it. Are you predicting that same scenario with HCGM's program

[Jet915]

I for one am very proud to be a Shocker fan and can't wait to see what's to come of one of the best recruiting classes the Valley has seen in a loooong time.

The last time we heard this type of claim was in 2008 with SIU's class.

That is correct. And that marked the beginning of the end for SIU-C as we knew it. Are you predicting that same scenario with HCGM's program

I'm always weary of top rated recruiting classes.........not only did it happen to SIU, but Creighton's best recruiting classes led to NO NCAA tournaments. Our 4 star recruits like Kenny Lawson, P'Allen and Andrew Bock led to no tourney appearances....not saying I wouldn't love to have big time recruits but it doesn't always mean success.

[kochhead22]

I love WSU's recruiting class coming in and if we end it by adding Nick Wiggins i'll be even more pumped. But you are correct, no matter how many accolades players are given or the amount of hype built up about those said players, you never know exactly how their going to perform at the D1 level.

[rlh04d]

DoubleJay, you aren't being honest with your argument. You know exactly what state Turgeon left the program in when he left... a losing MVC record and several core seniors graduating. Marshall then showed up and had one of his initial recruits die the summer before season 1.

Marshall has not had 5 amazing years, but the job he has done repairing the program would be cheered by fans of any MVC school if they found themselves where WSU was 5 years ago. I agree that Cold is overdoing it, but please don't go to the other extreme. I know that you know what you are saying is meant to "win a message board argument" more than it is meant to be "intellectually honest". You are better than that.

Exactly. Marshall came into a bad situation and won 11 games with a bad team his first year. No one expected anything out of him. No coach takes over a team that graduated pretty much the entire starting lineup, and whose departing coach took most of the incoming recruits, and does much of anything. They won 17 the second year ... a pretty significant improvement.

Since that point, 25 wins, 29 wins, and 27 wins. Those are three of the best records for WSU in a long, long time. Turgeon, in seven years, had two seasons with more than 22 wins, and he went on to big contracts in BCS conferences. Obviously Marshall hasn't gotten the Shockers back to the Sweet 16, or any NCAA tournament wins yet, but that NIT Championship isn't exactly something to sneeze at, either. WSU between '86 and when Marshall took over had two seasons with more than 22 wins. Marshall has lead WSU to three straight. Marshall's teams have had more success than WSU had in the 20 years prior, except for that Sweet 16.

Especially considering Creighton hasn't been to a Sweet 16 since the 70s, and just won their first NCAA game in ten years, and haven't won more than one NIT game since the early 40s (they won TWO that year!). In fact, WSU won just as many NIT games last year as Creighton has in all TEN of their NIT appearances. I'm not sure Creighton fans should be factoring postseason play into talking about the quality of a team or a coach.

Have your rivalry all you want, and Coldblooded is obviously just being a dick and trolling you. But Marshall's accomplishments are solid. Improvement every year. Three of the best seasons in WSU history. Regular season conference championship. NIT Championship. NCAA at-large bid, with the highest seed in school history.

It's easy as hell to win your first few years when you walk into a loaded program. It says a lot more about the quality of a coach to walk into an awful situation, take your beating like a man, rebuild, and win with the players he recruited and Turgeon's leftovers.

[Jet915]

DoubleJay, you aren't being honest with your argument. You know exactly what state Turgeon left the program in when he left... a losing MVC record and several core seniors graduating. Marshall then showed up and had one of his initial recruits die the summer before season 1.

Marshall has not had 5 amazing years, but the job he has done repairing the program would be cheered by fans of any MVC school if they found themselves where WSU was 5 years ago. I agree that Cold is overdoing it, but please don't go to the other extreme. I know that you know what you are saying is meant to "win a message board argument" more than it is meant to be "intellectually honest". You are better than that.

Exactly. Marshall came into a bad situation and won 11 games with a bad team his first year. No one expected anything out of him. No coach takes over a team that graduated pretty much the entire starting lineup, and whose departing coach took most of the incoming recruits, and does much of anything. They won 17 the second year ... a pretty significant improvement.

Since that point, 25 wins, 29 wins, and 27 wins. Those are three of the best records for WSU in a long, long time. Turgeon, in seven years, had two seasons with more than 22 wins, and he went on to big contracts in BCS conferences. Obviously Marshall hasn't gotten the Shockers back to the Sweet 16, or any NCAA tournament wins yet, but that NIT Championship isn't exactly something to sneeze at, either. WSU between '86 and when Marshall took over had two seasons with more than 22 wins. Marshall has lead WSU to three straight. Marshall's teams have had more success than WSU had in the 20 years prior, except for that Sweet 16.

Especially considering Creighton hasn't been to a Sweet 16 since the 70s, and just won their first NCAA game in ten years, and haven't won more than one NIT game since the early 40s (they won TWO that year!). In fact, WSU won just as many NIT games last year as Creighton has in TEN NIT appearances. I'm not sure Creighton fans should be factoring postseason play into talking about the quality of a team or a coach.

Have your rivalry all you want, and Coldblooded is obviously just being a dick and trolling you. But Marshall's accomplishments are solid. Improvement every year. Three of the best seasons in WSU history. Regular season conference championship. NIT Championship. NCAA at-large bid, with the highest seed in school history.

It's easy as hell to win your first few years when you walk into a loaded program. It says a lot more about the quality of a coach to walk into an awful situation, take your beating like a man, rebuild, and win with the players he recruited and Turgeon's leftovers.

I don't think anyone is knocking Marshall's accomplishments, it's when ONE fan boasts about how much your coach get's paid, that's when you started getting arguments about how results are compared to pay. Also, we are counting NIT wins a huge accomplishments now?

[rlh04d]

I don't think anyone is knocking Marshall's accomplishments, it's when ONE fan boasts about how much your coach get's paid, that's when you started getting arguments about how results are compared to pay. Also, we are counting NIT wins a huge accomplishments now?

NIT wins are not a huge accomplishment. NIT championships are a pretty significant accomplishment, though.

You hang a banner for winning the NIT. You don't hang a banner for losing in the field of 64 (or 32 in Creighton's case). I would say in the realm of postseason college basketball, Sweet 16 > NIT Championship > Field of 32 >= NIT Runner up > Field of 64.

However, losing in the NIT is a significant embarrassment. If you're going to go to the runner-up tournament, you might as well win it. Going to it and losing in the first round is pathetic, as WSU did two years back.

And DoubleJayAlum was clearly knocking his accomplishments, and that's why I responded to him. Cold is blatantly trolling here. He does the same thing on Shockernet.

[Kyle]

I for one am very proud to be a Shocker fan and can't wait to see what's to come of one of the best recruiting classes the Valley has seen in a loooong time.

The last time we heard this type of claim was in 2008 with SIU's class.

That is correct. And that marked the beginning of the end for SIU-C as we knew it. Are you predicting that same scenario with HCGM's program

No predictions, just pointing out hype and ratings are meaningless.

The group that lead UNI to a sweet sixteen and second consecutive MVC championship consisted of two and three star players.

[valleychamp]

You hang a banner for winning the NIT. You don't hang a banner for losing in the field of 64 (or 32 in Creighton's case). I would say in the realm of postseason college basketball, Sweet 16 > NIT Championship > Field of 32 >= NIT Runner up > Field of 64.

That's asinine. Anything in the NCAA's >>>> Anything in the NIT. Its no contest.

[Zardoz]

Were you people around in the days of Valley Talk? Cold is trolling you and hoping to to build up some quotes he can spin to use against you in the future.

We do what we can to retain a highly successful coach. He makes a very good wage, the team flies to most games, very good facilities and excellent fan support. He has use of a private jet to go on recruiting trips. We might lose Marshall if he were to walk into an opportunity like the one that fell into Turgeons lap, but short of that we are doing our best.