UNI's Budget Tightening Continues

[Khan4Cats]

As for the budget 'cuts' they are much like the government budget 'cuts' that occur. They announce them with great fanfare, but when you actually look at the money spent, it is more than the year before. In this case, it is merely the source of the funding. The state/university is not supplying the funds from their coffers, it is being replaced by additional revenue streams through fund-raising or contracted games (extra FBS football game, new broadcasting/advertising revenue, buy date in basketball perhaps, etc.)

[jwa123]

As for the budget 'cuts' they are much like the government budget 'cuts' that occur. They announce them with great fanfare, but when you actually look at the money spent, it is more than the year before. In this case, it is merely the source of the funding. The state/university is not supplying the funds from their coffers, it is being replaced by additional revenue streams through fund-raising or contracted games (extra FBS football game, new broadcasting/advertising revenue, buy date in basketball perhaps, etc.)

That alone could make up the $500,000.

[PantherSigEp]

Even the faculty at UNI is said to want to see blood in the athletic department cutting. If the school's own faculty is not supporting athletics, it becomes an even harder sell to the community and could be a foreshadowing of additional cuts in the future.

I would highly doubt that faculty wanting to see funding move from athletics to academics is a UNI-only problem. I would wager every school that funds athletics has some sort of similar issue. The vocal minority of faculty, is just that, a minority. To put much stock into the faculty wanting athletics to cut its budget is just silly.

[DoubleJayAlum]

-(vallychamp)UNI is certainly not the first, or last, school in this conference to drop an athletic program.-

-(DJA)Unless I'm mistaken, UNI is the last school to drop an athletic program.-

-(havoc)How can you possible know no other MVC will ever drop an athletic program?-

I don't. I just know that as we sit here today, UNI was the last to do so.

Then you meant to say latest or most recent, not last in the same context in which valleychamp used it. Different words mean different things when used in different contexts.

Parsing speech is weak, but if you want to do it, you lose here. The original quote was, "UNI is certainly not the first, or last, school in this conference to drop an athletic program."

If he wanted to properly address the future, the correct reference would be, "UNI is certainly not the first school in this conference to drop an athletic program, nor will they be the last."

You UNI fans certainly are an anal retentive lot. Kyle was going crazy in the other thread because I used the word "additional". Addressing the issues instead of crying foul over a word or to (especially when you are wrong) might not make you guys look so desperate.

[Kyle]

MVJ- Good post.

As to the $500K cut, I understand it's a permanent cut. This still doesn't explain DJA's logic.

DJA stated we will need to raise season ticket revenue $500K next year to compensate for the cut. He then stated we will need to increase season ticket revenue another $500K in year two and another $500K in year three, four, five, ect.

Under this logic, DJA is claiming UNI will need an extra $2,500,000/year in five years to make up for a permanent $500K/year cut. As usual, his logic is completely faulty.

[DoubleJayAlum]

I would highly doubt that faculty wanting to see funding move from athletics to academics is a UNI-only problem. I would wager every school that funds athletics has some sort of similar issue. The vocal minority of faculty, is just that, a minority. To put much stock into the faculty wanting athletics to cut its budget is just silly.

Sure, every campus has a few classical civilization or bearded philosophy instructors that don't like sports. Big difference between favoring one thing and "looking for blood" though, as your AD said. By the way, Dannen also never said that the comments came from "a vocal minority of the faculty." You made that part up. In fact, Dannen's quote seems to imply that it is much more than a minority of the faculty. If it was just a couple of nutjobs, odds are Dannen wouldn't reference them at all.

Further, at most schools, large numbers of faculty members tend to be season ticket holders for athletics. When the faculty is looking for blood, it doesn't bode well when additional cuts are made.

When UNI knocked off Kansas a few years ago, all we heard was how valuable it was to the university and how everyone around the campus supported the athletic programs. Either that was a bit of hyperbole, or the financial situation has caused the faculty to shift their view on the value of athletic success.

[DoubleJayAlum]

MVJ- Good post.

As to the $500K cut, I understand it's a permanent cut. This still doesn't explain DJA's logic.

DJA stated we will need to raise season ticket revenue $500K next year to compensate for the cut. He then stated we will need to increase season ticket revenue another $500K in year two and another $500K in year three, four, five, ect.

Under this logic, DJA is claiming UNI will need an extra $2,500,000/year in five years to make up for a permanent $500K/year cut. As usual, his logic is completely faulty.

Good Lord, Kyle give it up. That isn't what I meant at all and you know it, as did MVJ, unipanther and everybody else who reads these boards.

Substitute "the same" for "additional" if it makes you feel better. Regardless, UNI's athletic department will have $500K less in funding each and every year going forward than it had before the cuts.

[valleychamp]

-(vallychamp)UNI is certainly not the first, or last, school in this conference to drop an athletic program.-

-(DJA)Unless I'm mistaken, UNI is the last school to drop an athletic program.-

-(havoc)How can you possible know no other MVC will ever drop an athletic program?-

I don't. I just know that as we sit here today, UNI was the last to do so.

Then you meant to say latest or most recent, not last in the same context in which valleychamp used it. Different words mean different things when used in different contexts.

Parsing speech is weak, but if you want to do it, you lose here. The original quote was, "UNI is certainly not the first, or last, school in this conference to drop an athletic program."

Are you kidding me? Cripes, you and everybody else knew exactly what I meant.

[valleychamp]

MVJ- Good post.

As to the $500K cut, I understand it's a permanent cut. This still doesn't explain DJA's logic.

DJA stated we will need to raise season ticket revenue $500K next year to compensate for the cut. He then stated we will need to increase season ticket revenue another $500K in year two and another $500K in year three, four, five, ect.

Under this logic, DJA is claiming UNI will need an extra $2,500,000/year in five years to make up for a permanent $500K/year cut. As usual, his logic is completely faulty.

Substitute "the same" for "additional" if it makes you feel better. Regardless, UNI's athletic department will have $500K less in funding each and every year going forward than it had before the cuts.

No, that is incorrect. UNI will have 500K less funding from the state general fund. UNI is in the process of replacing and even increasing that lost money from the general fund with other sources of money.

[PantherSigEp]

I would highly doubt that faculty wanting to see funding move from athletics to academics is a UNI-only problem. I would wager every school that funds athletics has some sort of similar issue. The vocal minority of faculty, is just that, a minority. To put much stock into the faculty wanting athletics to cut its budget is just silly.

Sure, every campus has a few classical civilization or bearded philosophy instructors that don't like sports. Big difference between favoring one thing and "looking for blood" though, as your AD said. By the way, Dannen also never said that the comments came from "a vocal minority of the faculty." You made that part up. In fact, Dannen's quote seems to imply that it is much more than a minority of the faculty. If it was just a couple of nutjobs, odds are Dannen wouldn't reference them at all.

Further, at most schools, large numbers of faculty members tend to be season ticket holders for athletics. When the faculty is looking for blood, it doesn't bode well when additional cuts are made.

When UNI knocked off Kansas a few years ago, all we heard was how valuable it was to the university and how everyone around the campus supported the athletic programs. Either that was a bit of hyperbole, or the financial situation has caused the faculty to shift their view on the value of athletic success.

What in the heck are you talking about? How am I making anything up? If you had any sort of contact with UNI Faculty you would see that very few of them have an issue with the recent budget cuts. Those "few classical civilization or bearded philosophy instructors that don't like sports" are exactly who we are talking about and they comprise a small portion of UNI's 2000+ faculty. Dannen references that minority because they had received such notoriety for their vote of "no-confidence" in Pres. Allen and ridiculous protests against the Board of Regents. Seriously DoubleJay, you make this very simple to counter