Alabama A&M At Evansville

[Aces1982]

Instead of slamming the post why not disprove it. What other big man has UE had that is better 6 games into his college career? I can't think of one.

Last year, excluding the Butler game where he only played 2 minutes due to mono, through his first 6 games played, Ryan Sawvell averaged 5.3 points and 2.8 rebounds while playing 17 minutes per game while still recovering. Mock's numbers are not head and shoulders better at 4.7 pounds, 3.8 rebounds in 13.7 minutes.

Fair enough. I don't consider Sawell a true big.

[Ace Dad]

"These schools:" Location? Size? Financial committment? Affiliation? Or, another factor

"These schools" = SWAC schools. I'd take the time to explain how pronouns work in the English language, but there is no need to subject the entire board to an English lesson that is needed for only one person.

Stop parsing speech for perceived slights and you'll have a much more enjoyable existence. Stop race baiting and you'll make this board a much better place. Stop playing the victim and accomplishments will be much more rewarding.

There are five D1 conferences ranked lower than the SWAC:

Southern, Big Sky, Big South, Ivy League, and the MEAC

Do you believe that "these schools" in the five aforementioned conferences should not play Valley teams? Or, are you ok with opponents from the Southern, Big Sky, Big South, Ivy League, and the MEAC?

DJ, sometimes the best thing to do when digging a hole is to stop digging. Also, as a former boss of mine used to say to people with poor logic: "Never pass up an opportunity to remain silent."

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

[DoubleJayAlum]

There are five D1 conferences ranked lower than the SWAC:

Southern, Big Sky, Big South, Ivy League, and the MEAC

You can't use the RPI from November 27 to determine a conference's quality. Look at the end of season ratings for the last five years. The SWAC is at the bottom or right next to the bottom every single year among actual full fledged conferences (i.e., those that are not in the process of transitioning to D1) conferences.

I'd rather rely on real results than creating protected conferences. The NCAA has already allowed the SWAC a special exemption to the APR requirements that everybody else in D1 is forced to follow. You know, the same APR rules that got MSU sanctioned by the NCAA and kept SIU from allowing players to transfer?

Also, as a former boss of mine used to say to people with poor logic: "Never pass up an opportunity to remain silent."

I am certain your boss told you that regularly. Poor logic is making a decision about a conference's quality after a month.

[shocktheheart]

There are five D1 conferences ranked lower than the SWAC:

Southern, Big Sky, Big South, Ivy League, and the MEAC

You can't use the RPI from November 27 to determine a conference's quality. Look at the end of season ratings for the last five years. The SWAC is at the bottom or right next to the bottom every single year among actual full fledged (i.e., "nontransitional") conferences.

Also, as a former boss of mine used to say to people with poor logic: "Never pass up an opportunity to remain silent."

I am certain your boss told you that regularly. Poor logic is making a decision about a conference's quality after a month.

I checked the RPI for the last seven years and the SWAC finished at the bottom or one from the bottom and the only "conference" they beat where independents. Pretty bad arguement AceDad.

06- 31 out of 32
07- dead last
08- 31 out of 32
09- 31 out of 32
10- 31 out of 32
11- 31 out of 32
12- dead last

[Ace Dad]

There are five D1 conferences ranked lower than the SWAC:

Southern, Big Sky, Big South, Ivy League, and the MEAC

You can't use the RPI from November 27 to determine a conference's quality. Look at the end of season ratings for the last five years. The SWAC is at the bottom or right next to the bottom every single year among actual full fledged (i.e., "nontransitional") conferences.

Also, as a former boss of mine used to say to people with poor logic: "Never pass up an opportunity to remain silent."

I am certain your boss told you that regularly. Poor logic is making a decision about a conference's quality after a month.

Good point.

[Ace Dad]

There are five D1 conferences ranked lower than the SWAC:

Southern, Big Sky, Big South, Ivy League, and the MEAC

You can't use the RPI from November 27 to determine a conference's quality. Look at the end of season ratings for the last five years. The SWAC is at the bottom or right next to the bottom every single year among actual full fledged (i.e., "nontransitional") conferences.

Also, as a former boss of mine used to say to people with poor logic: "Never pass up an opportunity to remain silent."

I am certain your boss told you that regularly. Poor logic is making a decision about a conference's quality after a month.

I checked the RPI for the last seven years and the SWAC finished at the bottom or one from the bottom and the only "conference" they beat where independents. Pretty bad arguement AceDad.

06- 31 out of 32
07- dead last
08- 31 out of 32
09- 31 out of 32
10- 31 out of 32
11- dead last

Agreed that the SWAC is among the weakest D1 conferences.

However, "ugly women need loving too." Somebody has to play their schools and if Valley schools decide to play an Alabama A&M or another school, so be it.

My point still remains that there are 35 or so D1 conferences and where would DJ draw the line in playing schools? Do we stop at the 25th ranked conference? What about the 23rd ranked conference?

[DoubleJayAlum]

Last place is usually a pretty good place to start. A seven year track record is hard to argue against.

The more detailed answer would be to create some requirements regarding nonconference play. You can't play all of your games on the road just to get a check. You have to comply with the same APR guidelines that the rest of D1 is required to comply with. You have to have an NCAA tourney win at least once a decade or so.

[shocktheheart]

You can't use the RPI from November 27 to determine a conference's quality. Look at the end of season ratings for the last five years. The SWAC is at the bottom or right next to the bottom every single year among actual full fledged (i.e., "nontransitional") conferences.

Also, as a former boss of mine used to say to people with poor logic: "Never pass up an opportunity to remain silent."

I am certain your boss told you that regularly. Poor logic is making a decision about a conference's quality after a month.[/quote]


I checked the RPI for the last seven years and the SWAC finished at the bottom or one from the bottom and the only "conference" they beat where independents. Pretty bad arguement AceDad.

06- 31 out of 32
07- dead last
08- 31 out of 32
09- 31 out of 32
10- 31 out of 32
11- dead last[/quote]

Agreed that the SWAC is among the weakest D1 conferences.

However, "ugly women need loving too." Somebody has to play their schools and if Valley schools decide to play an Alabama A&M or another school, so be it.

My point still remains that there are 35 or so D1 conferences and where would DJ draw the line in playing schools? Do we stop at the 25th ranked conference? What about the 23rd ranked conference?[/quote]

It is the weakest D1 conference as I don't remember the "Independent" conference getting an auto bid in March. This isn't the YMCA rec league where everyone should get a chance. Valley schools should avoid the SWAC like the plague as it does nothing for anyone's RPI, in fact it will hurt you even if you blow them out. Where do you draw the line on conferences....I don't know, but the SWAC should be an obvious one to avoid.

[havoc]

Instead of slamming the post why not disprove it. What other big man has UE had that is better 6 games into his college career? I can't think of one.

Last year, excluding the Butler game where he only played 2 minutes due to mono, through his first 6 games played, Ryan Sawvell averaged 5.3 points and 2.8 rebounds while playing 17 minutes per game while still recovering. Mock's numbers are not head and shoulders better at 4.7 pounds, 3.8 rebounds in 13.7 minutes.

Fair enough. I don't consider Sawell a true big.

He lined up against the number 5 player on the opposing team in all 6 of those games just like Mock has this year.

[Ace Dad]

I think that Sawvell is a Power Forward who was asked to play Center.

I believe that Mock is a Center who is playing Center.

Both players have a huge upside. Sawvell, as a Freshmen, proved that he would develop into a MVC caliber player. Mock has shown glimpes this year of developing into a MVC caliber player. Sawvell is now trying to learn how to get his shots as a PF in the Aces offense. Mock is learning everything about the Aces' offense and defense. I look forward to these guys playing together, at the same time, the next 3 years.