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Re: What happens to each MVC team?

Postby squirrel » December 16th, 2012, 10:15 am

havoc wrote:
uniftw wrote:FWIW every party of the country love football more than basketball


You've never been to Indiana.


Or downstate Illinois. Yes Chicago (and therefore Illinois) is dominated by the Bears, but you get outside the city and its closer to Indiana in their interest.
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Re: What happens to each MVC team?

Postby LJay » December 16th, 2012, 11:43 am

The CU speculation is just that - speculation. However, the brass has always said a conference of "like minded schools" would be interesting to them.

Bottom line, CU athletics is very happy to be in the MVC and all the rivalries that have developed. The Big East / Private Schools Conference is the only thing CU would be interested in; there would be no interest to go to the A-10 or elsewhere.

There have always been two questions regarding the PSC...would the BE Catholic schools secede; answer, yes. Would they "stoop" to inviting Creighton; answer, a very unknown. The eastern schools have a big time eastern bias and I would have to think that if they had their way all the expansion would be east of the Mississippi. However, to placate the western schools, Depaul and Marquette, they may need to add some "western region" schools. It's hard to say - those two have been dealing with far eastern trips for the last 8 years so adding only Butler, Xavier and someone else out east may not be a big deal in their minds.

I do know that CU and the BE schools are talking. It may never go beyond that. In the meantime, it is a distraction and I'm glad the team rose above it and beat Cal last night.
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Re: What happens to each MVC team?

Postby CBB_Fan » December 16th, 2012, 3:28 pm

uniftw wrote:FWIW every party of the country love football more than basketball


Another exception is Alaska. From what I've heard, the most popular sports are hockey, baseball (can play with the sun up at midnight), and basketball (lot of Lakers fans).
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Re: What happens to each MVC team?

Postby saluki762 » December 16th, 2012, 3:34 pm

CBB_Fan wrote:
uniftw wrote:FWIW every party of the country love football more than basketball


Another exception is Alaska. From what I've heard, the most popular sports are hockey, baseball (can play with the sun up at midnight), and basketball (lot of Lakers fans).

Alaska doesn't count.
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Re: What happens to each MVC team?

Postby CBB_Fan » December 16th, 2012, 3:41 pm

saluki762 wrote:Alaska doesn't count.


Well, it is 16% of the total landmass of the United States. But yes, that is a technicality. Though the largest college event of all-time was a hockey game, not a football game.
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Re: What happens to each MVC team?

Postby pafan » December 16th, 2012, 5:03 pm

havoc wrote:
uniftw wrote:FWIW every party of the country love football more than basketball


You've never been to Indiana.


I think Indiana is more complicated than the stereotype.

Specifically among Indiana University and Purdue University fans, where football has been irrelevant for decades, sure.

In Indianapolis you will find way more Colts fans than Pacers fans. The Pacers can't get people in to Banker's Life Fieldhouse despite deeply discounted tickets. I could go to a Pacers home game for as little as $5. And in Evansville, you'll get a lot of blank looks if you start talking about anything in the NBA.

In South Bend, you have the Irish - a school that will pack in 80 thousand + for a home football game, but who almost never sells out a mid-sized basketball arena in the Joyce Center despite considerable success in the Big East. Hockey is a big deal in the winter, though.

High school football produces the most fans for most high schools in Indiana, and the most publicity for the Indiana H.S. Athletic Association.
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Re: What happens to each MVC team?

Postby uniftw » December 16th, 2012, 8:09 pm

pafan wrote:
havoc wrote:
uniftw wrote:FWIW every party of the country love football more than basketball


You've never been to Indiana.


I think Indiana is more complicated than the stereotype.

Specifically among Indiana University and Purdue University fans, where football has been irrelevant for decades, sure.

In Indianapolis you will find way more Colts fans than Pacers fans. The Pacers can't get people in to Banker's Life Fieldhouse despite deeply discounted tickets. I could go to a Pacers home game for as little as $5. And in Evansville, you'll get a lot of blank looks if you start talking about anything in the NBA.

In South Bend, you have the Irish - a school that will pack in 80 thousand + for a home football game, but who almost never sells out a mid-sized basketball arena in the Joyce Center despite considerable success in the Big East. Hockey is a big deal in the winter, though.

High school football produces the most fans for most high schools in Indiana, and the most publicity for the Indiana H.S. Athletic Association.
Pretty much this.

IU and Purdue may have a large fan base for basketball, mostly due to the fact that Indiana has only 2 conference titles in football (1945 and 1967) and Purdue has 1 conference title since 1967 (2000)...Purdue and IU shared the 1967 crown. Purdue has just 18 winning seasons since and IU has just 8 since that shared title in 1967...Yeah, that's 45 seasons. Heck IU has just 27 winning seasons in their 125 year history. 7 of those came in the 1930s and 1940s and only twice in their history have they won more than 8 games (1940 and 1967.) If you haven't caught on yet, the last time either team was relevant in football was 1967.


Butler has a larger fan base in basketball than football - due to the fact they play non-sholly football league against teams like Drake, San Diego, Campbell, Marist etc... and their basketball popularity wasn't real high until their first final four run.
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Re: What happens to each MVC team?

Postby bradley_brave1989 » December 16th, 2012, 8:57 pm

I think an option here that people are forgetting is maybe and this is just a maybe. ILL St., UNI join MAC, C-USA in football only similar to what other teams have done in the past (Umass, Army, etc...) And what also what SDSU, Boise were going to do with Big East. I dont know the actual numbers, but i bet the MVC's basketball revenue is similar if not more than the MAC or C-USA. So if it is about the money ILL St. and UNI go to MAC football for money and stay in valley for basketball for money. Just a thought.
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Re: What happens to each MVC team?

Postby uniftw » December 16th, 2012, 9:03 pm

bradley_brave1989 wrote:I think an option here that people are forgetting is maybe and this is just a maybe. ILL St., UNI join MAC, C-USA in football only similar to what other teams have done in the past (Umass, Army, etc...) And what also what SDSU, Boise were going to do with Big East. I dont know the actual numbers, but i bet the MVC's basketball revenue is similar if not more than the MAC or C-USA. So if it is about the money ILL St. and UNI go to MAC football for money and stay in valley for basketball for money. Just a thought.

Dannen is on record as saying that a move to the MAC for football only and staying in the MVC for all other sports is the ideal situation.

However, if CU leaves and is replaced with Valpo like the rumors UNI's conviction may wain just a little. If WSU and CU take off the chances of UNI leaving go up dramatically.
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Re: What happens to each MVC team?

Postby bradley_brave1989 » December 16th, 2012, 9:10 pm

uniftw wrote:
bradley_brave1989 wrote:I think an option here that people are forgetting is maybe and this is just a maybe. ILL St., UNI join MAC, C-USA in football only similar to what other teams have done in the past (Umass, Army, etc...) And what also what SDSU, Boise were going to do with Big East. I dont know the actual numbers, but i bet the MVC's basketball revenue is similar if not more than the MAC or C-USA. So if it is about the money ILL St. and UNI go to MAC football for money and stay in valley for basketball for money. Just a thought.

Dannen is on record as saying that a move to the MAC for football only and staying in the MVC for all other sports is the ideal situation.

However, if CU leaves and is replaced with Valpo like the rumors UNI's conviction may wain just a little. If WSU and CU take off the chances of UNI leaving go up dramatically.


Yes, and with CU and WSU leaving basketball revenue goes down handily
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