Tues 1/8 games

[MoValley John]

Nobody says you have to match what the big boys pay, but in reality, MSU's track record is a joke. They never paid Barry, they hardly paid Cuonzo. Lusk isn't even at the top half of Valley coaches salaries

Zo was leaving as soon as he saw you could win the Valley and not get an NCAA at-large bid...didn't matter if we paid him a million dollars he would have taken 1,000,001 to coach at Tennessee

Also, our track record might be a joke but somehow we have finished in the top 4 14 out of our 22 season in the Valley...I would put that number up against anyone in the league not named Creighton

Just last year, Wichita State earned an at-large after winning the Valley and losing in St. Louis. It can be done, and has been done in the Valley, both before and after Cuonzo. Total strawman.

[Bluejay09Bear06]

Don't bother arguing with MVJ. He read the Springfield News-Leader in 2008 and therefore knows more about Missouri State than anyone else. Period.

[MoValley John]

Don't bother arguing with MVJ. He read the Springfield News-Leader in 2008 and therefore knows more about Missouri State than anyone else. Period.

You are right. The Bears do invest in keeping coaches. The Bears do compete with fellow Valley schools in recruiting budgets. The Bears didn't sell cattle to keep their program afloat. The Bears are leaders in this conference, not followers when it comes to investing, building and maintaining their program. I just read the News-Leader.

Coaches leave because it is impossible to get at-large bids out of the Valley and having a donor build an arena is proof of a program's commitment. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

[valleychamp]

Why the hell does it matter if a donor or donors where the ones giving a big chunk of money for a new facility? That is the case with every school with every facility that they build. Do you honestly believe that there are schools that are building $50 million facilities out of their athletic budgets?

Faulting MSU for that is beyond ridiculous. In fact it should be quite the opposite, they should be praised for having donors that are willing to give sums of money like that.

[Aces1982]

I find it funny that many CU and WSU fans get upset by the way the "big" schools treat them. Yet they act and treat the rest of the Valley as the ugly step sister just like the "big" schools treat them.

[MoValley John]

Why the hell does it matter if a donor or donors where the ones giving a big chunk of money for a new facility? That is the case with every school with every facility that they build. Do you honestly believe that there are schools that are building $50 million facilities out of their athletic budgets?

Faulting MSU for that is beyond ridiculous. In fact it should be quite the opposite, they should be praised for having donors that are willing to give sums of money like that.

You are exactly right, and that is my point. It started when a MSU fan said they invested in their program and JQH was one of the "nicer" arenas. In my opinion, the arena means nothing. Maybe I was a bit unclear, it is a message board. That said, I Believe that success starts with a commitment to the program, year in and year out. That translates to spending money. And no, you don't need BCS money, but a commitment to spend as much or more than your peers. If spending as much as your peers is impossible, there must be a commitmwnt to bridging the gap. UNI is cash strapped, but they still commit, MSU does not. UNI would still be competitive if they played their games in the UNIDome, MSU could build a duplicate of the Staples Center and it wouldn't make a difference.

[jaybydna]

I find it funny that many CU and WSU fans get upset by the way the "big" schools treat them. Yet they act and treat the rest of the Valley as the ugly step sister just like the "big" schools treat them.

I am not treating anyone like anything. I have not disparaged anyone for any decisions. I merely stated my opinion as to why we have some schools with 270+ RPIs, and the effect that has on all of us. Do you have a better reason? I am saying the reason I am looking forward to the opportunity is so I can be with like minded schools. If you are happy with the current situation, I'm happy for you. I want more out of Creighton, and I don't think I can get it with the current level of investment within the MVC.

Answer my question. Will the MVC be better in 10 years? Where were you 10 years ago?

[MoValley John]

I find it funny that many CU and WSU fans get upset by the way the "big" schools treat them. Yet they act and treat the rest of the Valley as the ugly step sister just like the "big" schools treat them.

That is because they feel they have more in common with the big boys. They get pissed because being associated with the Valley keeps them from being viewed with respect. It is exasperated when other Valley schools can't or won't commit to building the league. Look no further than the 150 rule or the first vote to keep Dallas Baptist out of baseball simply because of travel costs.

[agrinut]

Why the hell does it matter if a donor or donors where the ones giving a big chunk of money for a new facility? That is the case with every school with every facility that they build. Do you honestly believe that there are schools that are building $50 million facilities out of their athletic budgets?

Faulting MSU for that is beyond ridiculous. In fact it should be quite the opposite, they should be praised for having donors that are willing to give sums of money like that.

You are exactly right, and that is my point. It started when a MSU fan said they invested in their program and JQH was one of the "nicer" arenas. In my opinion, the arena means nothing. Maybe I was a bit unclear, it is a message board. That said, I Believe that success starts with a commitment to the program, year in and year out. That translates to spending money. And no, you don't need BCS money, but a commitment to spend as much or more than your peers. If spending as much as your peers is impossible, there must be a commitmwnt to bridging the gap. UNI is cash strapped, but they still commit, MSU does not. UNI would still be competitive if they played their games in the UNIDome, MSU could build a duplicate of the Staples Center and it wouldn't make a difference.

What would be a commitment in your opinion? Zo was scheduled to make $660,000 base salary. Zo left for more money then any team in the league pays so it seems that all the valley schools need to step up.

[MoValley John]

Why the hell does it matter if a donor or donors where the ones giving a big chunk of money for a new facility? That is the case with every school with every facility that they build. Do you honestly believe that there are schools that are building $50 million facilities out of their athletic budgets?

Faulting MSU for that is beyond ridiculous. In fact it should be quite the opposite, they should be praised for having donors that are willing to give sums of money like that.

You are exactly right, and that is my point. It started when a MSU fan said they invested in their program and JQH was one of the "nicer" arenas. In my opinion, the arena means nothing. Maybe I was a bit unclear, it is a message board. That said, I Believe that success starts with a commitment to the program, year in and year out. That translates to spending money. And no, you don't need BCS money, but a commitment to spend as much or more than your peers. If spending as much as your peers is impossible, there must be a commitmwnt to bridging the gap. UNI is cash strapped, but they still commit, MSU does not. UNI would still be competitive if they played their games in the UNIDome, MSU could build a duplicate of the Staples Center and it wouldn't make a difference.

What would be a commitment in your opinion? Zo was scheduled to make $660,000 base salary. Zo left for more money then any team in the league pays so it seems that all the valley schools need to step up.

Zo's new contract was attempted after he visited Tennessee. He was already gone. MSU acted late. After he left, we heard the big number. We continued to hear that the new coach would be paid at that level. When the dust settled, there was no $650,000 coach, you got Lusk for $350,000. Exactly what Martin was scheduled to be paid.