The Case for Indiana St

[havoc]

Indiana State is good. That said, I don't see them finishing first or second. Short of winning in St. Louis, they are NIT bound. Sycamore fans will find out fist hand what it feels like putting together an NCAA worthy team, only to get shut out because the league sucks. After this year, Trees fans may have some sympathy for what has been pissing off Shocker and Bluejay fans for years. And when they complain, they will hear the old, tired adage, "You should have won one more game."

Frustrating.

Please tell us what years CU or WSU have put together an NCAA worthy team only to be brought down by the lowly MVC.

Top of my head, Wichita State two years ago and Creighton four. Two years ago, Wichita State finished second to Missouri State and both Missouri State and Wichita State were left out as Indiana State won in St Louis. Four years ago, Creighton tied UNI for the regular season, but was beaten by Illinois State in the second round in St. Louis. There are three recent examples of bubble or better teams left out based on conference strength.

Two years ago WSU finished 0-5 against teams in the top 50 RPI. How does losing everything game you play to NCAA tournament caliber opponents make you worth of a bid? Four years ago CU played a non-conference schedule that consisted of two teams with +300 RPIs and and four more with +200.

[havoc]

Indiana State is good. That said, I don't see them finishing first or second. Short of winning in St. Louis, they are NIT bound. Sycamore fans will find out fist hand what it feels like putting together an NCAA worthy team, only to get shut out because the league sucks. After this year, Trees fans may have some sympathy for what has been pissing off Shocker and Bluejay fans for years. And when they complain, they will hear the old, tired adage, "You should have won one more game."

Frustrating.

Please tell us what years CU or WSU have put together an NCAA worthy team only to be brought down by the lowly MVC.

29-win Creighton in 2011

Except Creighton won 19 games in 2011 and had an RPI of 118.

[MoValley John]

Just to demonstrate the impact of Valley teams being left out, currently, each NCAA unit is worth approximately $235,000. Each share is paid out for six or seven years, I can't remember. That said, I will drop the unit value to $225,000 over four years. If merely two of those teams mentioned makes the dance and neither wins a game, over four years, that is $1,800,000 in potential revenue lost. That is $180,000 per school. If either team wins one game, the revenue shoots higher. Keep in mind, I severely rounded down, the actual impact is much greater. This all comes from the NCAA's TV contract, a $10.8 billion dollar deal. In contrast, the ACC splits just short of $20,000,000/ yr. The Valley isn't the ACC, but boy is the Valley leaving both money and reputation on the table.

[agrinut]

Just to demonstrate the impact of Valley teams being left out, currently, each NCAA unit is worth approximately $235,000. Each share is paid out for six or seven years, I can't remember. That said, I will drop the unit value to $225,000 over four years. If merely two of those teams mentioned makes the dance and neither wins a game, over four years, that is $1,800,000 in potential revenue lost. That is $180,000 per school. If either team wins one game, the revenue shoots higher. Keep in mind, I severely rounded down, the actual impact is much greater. This all comes from the NCAA's TV contract, a $10.8 billion dollar deal. In contrast, the ACC splits just short of $20,000,000/ yr. The Valley isn't the ACC, but boy is the Valley leaving both money and reputation on the table.

Don't typically agree with you, but I do right now.

[DoubleJayAlum]

I don't think Morehead State hurts on its own. Everyone can stumble.

I agree completely. I don't have a big problem with the Morehead St loss by itself. At least it was on the road.

But combined with any MVC loss outside of CU or WSU then you have 2 bad losses instead of 1. Any other loss will drop them 20 spots in the RPI. However, a win or two over CU/WSU and they have a little more room for error.

They got a shot.

One of the main problems is that outside of wins over WU & CU, nothing else will be considered a "good win" and every loss will be considered a "bad loss" The MVC only has three teams that have RPIs under 100 - CU, WSU & INS. Of the seven other teams, two are close to 100, and the rest aren't even close.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Indiana State is good. That said, I don't see them finishing first or second. Short of winning in St. Louis, they are NIT bound. Sycamore fans will find out fist hand what it feels like putting together an NCAA worthy team, only to get shut out because the league sucks. After this year, Trees fans may have some sympathy for what has been pissing off Shocker and Bluejay fans for years. And when they complain, they will hear the old, tired adage, "You should have won one more game."

Frustrating.

Please tell us what years CU or WSU have put together an NCAA worthy team only to be brought down by the lowly MVC.

Why limit to only WSu and CU (although there are several examples for those schools).

MSU won the league and couldn't even get an at large because the league was so bad.

[havoc]

Indiana State is good. That said, I don't see them finishing first or second. Short of winning in St. Louis, they are NIT bound. Sycamore fans will find out fist hand what it feels like putting together an NCAA worthy team, only to get shut out because the league sucks. After this year, Trees fans may have some sympathy for what has been pissing off Shocker and Bluejay fans for years. And when they complain, they will hear the old, tired adage, "You should have won one more game."

Frustrating.

Please tell us what years CU or WSU have put together an NCAA worthy team only to be brought down by the lowly MVC.

Why limit to only WSu and CU (although there are several examples for those schools).

MSU won the league and couldn't even get an at large because the league was so bad.

I don't know. Perhaps you should ask MVJ. I was simply replying to his remark of "pissing off Shocker and Bluejay fans for years." Personally, I agree with you. If anyone has beef with getting snubbed it is MSU.

[shoxrox]

Can't have a double digit loss total. That's the first requirement.

[MoValley John]

Indiana State is good. That said, I don't see them finishing first or second. Short of winning in St. Louis, they are NIT bound. Sycamore fans will find out fist hand what it feels like putting together an NCAA worthy team, only to get shut out because the league sucks. After this year, Trees fans may have some sympathy for what has been pissing off Shocker and Bluejay fans for years. And when they complain, they will hear the old, tired adage, "You should have won one more game."

Frustrating.

Please tell us what years CU or WSU have put together an NCAA worthy team only to be brought down by the lowly MVC.

Why limit to only WSu and CU (although there are several examples for those schools).

MSU won the league and couldn't even get an at large because the league was so bad.

I did include them. It was in a later reply. My original post wasn't thorough, I just cited what appears to be the two most disgruntled fan bases. Wichita State and Creighton fans seem to me to be disgruntled, while every other fan base, appears to me to be gruntled with the present situation.

[ihsi]

I would love to see the Valley be a 3 team league. Seeing Miami beat UNC last night in Chapel Hill makes that a pretty good win. Ultimately I think ISBlue needs to win 2 games against Creighton and Wichita State to have a resume worthy though.