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Re: The Zebras

Postby BCPanther » January 18th, 2013, 11:29 am

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TylerDurden wrote:The conference doesn't tell the officials how to call a game.

Comparing HS basketball in KS to NCAA DI is laughable.

The piece quoted about officials being trained and evaluated is referencing national and conference programs used to evaluate officials. Every league uses similar programs. It's a performance review just like you have at your job. They're being evaluated by a thorough process that includes input from coaches, officials, officials observers, video and coordinators of officials. Folks give opinions about their performance and the MVC coordinator of officials discusses those evaluations with the coaches and officials and reports out to the league office. The have a pretty detailed process at the end of the season and discuss officials at their meetings during the off-season.

The coaches' input is highly valued in this process. Often times officials who fans think are terrible, the coaches really like.

The quote is conveying that officials are accountable for their performance (do they use the right mechanics, do they apply the rules correctly, etc.) - not that they are told how to call a game. Huge difference.


I have no idea how you can read what I posted and still have that opinion. It says right in the place I quoted:

"Evaluations of officiating mechanics, rules interpretations and implementation, game
management and judgment are conveyed to the appropriate parties within the Conference."

I don't see how that can be misinterpreted. The conference evaluates the referees based on their views on the implementation of rules. Those views may or may not be consistent with those of other conferences.

What they do NOT do is say:

"Make sure UNI beats Evansville today"
or
"Call a lot more fouls on Creighton than SIU"

Instead, the league has some say onto the specific interpretation of things like a block/charge foul, degree of contact allowed, and things like that. I believe the MVC sometimes has different interpretations of those rules compared to conferences like the B1G and Big 12, which explains the discrepancy between the reffing in those leagues (despite the fact that many refs work in the MVC, B1G, and sometimes Big 10).


You seriously couldn't be more wrong, unless you are firmly entrenched in multiple conspiracy theories.

All adjudication is objective, not subjective. It all comes from the national coordinator of officials. The Big Ten eval is the same as The Valley eval, which is the same as the SWAC eval, which is the same as the PAC 12 eval, etc.
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Re: The Zebras

Postby CBB_Fan » January 18th, 2013, 12:26 pm

Look, you can believe what you want. I am going by the official publication of the MVC and by the word of the only referee to actually speak on this topic. I guarantee you that different conferences (regardless of whether it is D1, D2, NAIA, or high school) tell referees to put priority on certain calls or to be more or less liberal in regards to contact, at a minimum.
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Re: The Zebras

Postby TylerDurden » January 18th, 2013, 1:16 pm

CBB_Fan wrote:Look, you can believe what you want. I am going by the official publication of the MVC and by the word of the only referee to actually speak on this topic. I guarantee you that different conferences (regardless of whether it is D1, D2, NAIA, or high school) tell referees to put priority on certain calls or to be more or less liberal in regards to contact, at a minimum.


You cannot guarantee something others know to be untrue. Again, it is not my opinion.
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Re: The Zebras

Postby CBB_Fan » January 18th, 2013, 1:53 pm

TylerDurden wrote:You cannot guarantee something others know to be untrue. Again, it is not my opinion.


Sorry, bring some evidence. You are running solely on statements of opinion at this point; I at least have something to base my statements around.
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Re: The Zebras

Postby TylerDurden » January 18th, 2013, 2:20 pm

CBB_Fan wrote:
TylerDurden wrote:You cannot guarantee something others know to be untrue. Again, it is not my opinion.


Sorry, bring some evidence. You are running solely on statements of opinion at this point; I at least have something to base my statements around.


The only statement of opinion in this thread that I've made is this: "Comparing HS basketball in KS to NCAA DI is laughable."

That's only an opinion because other folks may use a different adjective.
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Re: The Zebras

Postby CBB_Fan » January 18th, 2013, 2:54 pm

TylerDurden wrote:The only statement of opinion in this thread that I've made is this: "Comparing HS basketball in KS to NCAA DI is laughable."

That's only an opinion because other folks may use a different adjective.


Unless you are a D1 referee, almost everything you've posted is an opinion without evidence to back it up. I can tell you from personal experience (as a player and a fan) that referees are told by underlying associations (conferences, leagues and the like) to focus on the interpretation of certain rules. Certain leagues want more contact or less, for example.

Every bit of actual evidence I've seen in this thread has supported that.
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Re: The Zebras

Postby MVCfans » January 18th, 2013, 3:10 pm

We interviewed Mac McCausland for this week's MVC Hoops Show and he thinks the refs will have a huge impact on the Creighton - Wichita State game. I'll see if I can post that segment early as a preview for the show.
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Re: The Zebras

Postby DoubleJayAlum » January 18th, 2013, 3:28 pm

CBB_Fan wrote:Unless you are a D1 referee, almost everything you've posted is an opinion without evidence to back it up. I can tell you from personal experience (as a player and a fan) that referees are told by underlying associations (conferences, leagues and the like) to focus on the interpretation of certain rules. Certain leagues want more contact or less, for example.


Wait a second...did you play for WSU?
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Re: The Zebras

Postby CBB_Fan » January 18th, 2013, 3:34 pm

DoubleJayAlum wrote:Wait a second...did you play for WSU?


No. Lower-level than that I'm afraid.
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Re: The Zebras

Postby moshock » January 18th, 2013, 9:51 pm

CBB_Fan wrote:
DoubleJayAlum wrote:Wait a second...did you play for WSU?


No. Lower-level than that I'm afraid.


Creighton ???
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