The Case for Indiana St

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Re: The Case for Indiana St

Postby shocker3 » January 21st, 2013, 10:09 pm

denjayfan1 wrote:They did beat the current leaders of the ACC and SEC and took the Mountain West Leader to overtime.


I think because of the above, Indy St still has a legitimate shot at an at large bid. Miami is #4 in the RPI and Ole Miss is #32. These are two quality wins.

Indy St needs to pretty much beat everyone in the Valley not named Creighton or WSU to have a chance. And they probably need to get a win over WSU or Creighton to have a real shot.

So yeah the road is tough but they still have a legit chance at an at large bid.
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Postby shoxrox » January 21st, 2013, 10:46 pm

Ace Dad wrote:What about tourney worthy teams in the 18-22 conferences that fall under the MVC that cannot get an at large bid?

About half the posters on this thread sound like whiny school girls.

There is no fair way to select 69 out of 344 teams. There will always be 80-90 teams that are deserving.

Indiana State should have beat 2-3 more non conference foes if they wanted to be taken seriously. Just like Evansville.


90 teams that are deserving? Negative.

Indiana State is being taken seriously, considering they've made a CBS bracket this late into January.

I agree with shocker3. They can't lose another non-CU or WSU game and they still need to beat at least one of those to have a decent chance. Also, probably making the Valley finals would help too, if not, for sure the Valley semis with a loss to either WSU or CU.
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Re: The Case for Indiana St

Postby Ace Dad » January 21st, 2013, 11:11 pm

shoxrox wrote:
Ace Dad wrote:What about tourney worthy teams in the 18-22 conferences that fall under the MVC that cannot get an at large bid?

About half the posters on this thread sound like whiny school girls.

There is no fair way to select 69 out of 344 teams. There will always be 80-90 teams that are deserving.

Indiana State should have beat 2-3 more non conference foes if they wanted to be taken seriously. Just like Evansville.


90 teams that are deserving? Negative.

Indiana State is being taken seriously, considering they've made a CBS bracket this late into January.

I agree with shocker3. They can't lose another non-CU or WSU game and they still need to beat at least one of those to have a decent chance. Also, probably making the Valley finals would help too, if not, for sure the Valley semis with a loss to either WSU or CU.


"Negative", says who? You?

Go visit the other conference websites or talk to fans from other conferences and you will find the same sentiment.

There is not such thing as 68 best teams. We objectively identify about half the teams based on conference championships. We then subjectively allow a bunch of old wise men (and women?) to select the other half. Along the way, some very good teams are not going to be selected. So, I will stick with my assessment that there may be 22 or more teams among the 250 remaining teams that are tourney worthy.

It is all voodoo science anyway. So, win you OOC games and stop the whining.

Ever select one man out of 12 for a job when all 12 were equally qualified? Life is not fair and neither is basketball.
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Re: The Case for Indiana St

Postby shoxrox » January 21st, 2013, 11:27 pm

Geez, not this again.

Let's just go with The Evansville Way and say everybody deserves a bid to the tournament. All 347 of them.
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Re: The Case for Indiana St

Postby Ace Dad » January 21st, 2013, 11:34 pm

shoxrox wrote:Geez, not this again.

Let's just go with The Evansville Way and say everybody deserves a bid to the tournament. All 347 of them.



So, you never have had to select one man from among 12 equal competitors? I figured.

Not all 347 all tournament worthy. However, more than 69 are. If you are on the bubble, then win more games in the OOC. Otherwise, stop the whining.
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Re: The Case for Indiana St

Postby jackwagon » January 22nd, 2013, 6:47 am

Ace Dad wrote:What about tourney worthy teams in the 18-22 conferences that fall under the MVC that cannot get an at large bid?

About half the posters on this thread sound like whiny school girls.

There is no fair way to select 69 out of 344 teams. There will always be 80-90 teams that are deserving.

Indiana State should have beat 2-3 more non conference foes if they wanted to be taken seriously. Just like Evansville.



If the aces would of beat anybody during the non conference they might be in the discussion, but they didnt. ISUB could of beaten another team or two but the fact they beat Miami and Ole Miss gives them enough to make the tourney if they have a good valley season. I don't think they need to run the table either.

If they beat either Wichita or Creighton at home and go 13-5 or 14-4 in valley play then that will be enough, providing they get to at least saturday in St. Louis. That would give them 3 wins in the top 50 and a decent RPI and SOS. They would be on the bubble at the very least with that resume.
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Re: The Case for Indiana St

Postby FearDaTrees » January 22nd, 2013, 7:37 am

I think we need 13 conf. wins and a BB win to get in. As long as we don't lose to anyone besides WSU and CU...WE SHALL DANCE
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Re: The Case for Indiana St

Postby Jayzwin » January 22nd, 2013, 9:19 am

FearDaTrees wrote:I think we need 13 conf. wins and a BB win to get in. As long as we don't lose to anyone besides WSU and CU...WE SHALL DANCE


I agree - do this and get to the finals in STL and you are in
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Re: The Case for Indiana St

Postby TheAsianSensation » January 22nd, 2013, 9:58 am

ISU's target shouuld be 2-2 vs. CU and WSU. Quality wins are more important.

If the two options are going 12-6 and 2-2 against CU/WSU....or going 13-5 with 4 losses against CU/WSU....give me 12-6 every time and twice on Selection Sunday.

Also unlucky with BB. If ISU was a road team, they'd have a chance at a meaningful road win over a RPI Top 75 team. Instead, they might struggle to end up with a Top 100 RPI home win.
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Re: The Case for Indiana St

Postby FearDaTrees » January 22nd, 2013, 10:09 am

We will most likely get SDSU, SF Austin or Detroit...all have RPI's under 75. The BB game won't hurt unless we lose a few before then.
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