Wichita State classless coach and players

[GoShockers89]

I love CaseyGarrison's posts. Everyone here knows he is a joke, but he so earnestly continues in his efforts. Past epic embarrassments are merely stairsteps towards obtaining future nirvana for him.

We could all learn something from Casey.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Frankly both schools embarrassed the Missouri Valley Conference and 8 other schools last night. ISURed should be sanctioned in some manner of course but you are talking about fans here and not paid professionals and student-athletes. I chuckle every time when WSU fans attempt to defend Gregg for his many, many transgressions. They'll somehow equate it to being a hater because they are successful. For those that subscribe to that faulty line of thinking let me submit to you the following: Do similar situations happen with Doug McDermott? Nope. Did we hear the same things about Jacobson in 2009-2010? Of course not. When SIUC was successful with a couple of different coaches did we hear about misbehavior? Not a peep of it. So what does that tell you?

Everybody and I mean everybody in the Big South hated Marshall when he was at Winthrop. I encountered Duggar Baucom at a function a few years ago and asked him about Marshall. Most of what he said I won't repeat but let's say he was not a fan. And he only coached in the same league as Marshall for one season!

Last night was a real game changer for me personally. I don't think I can enjoy Valley basketball if it is going to become so thuggish and repugnant. I mean Kyle Weems did some things that made me uncomfortable but at least you knew he was a good kid overall. Certainly a coach in his 40s should be able to have more restraint, civility, and class and furthermore he imbues a "hoodlum" style upon his 18-23 year old charges. No place for it in the MVC. Both schools need to be sanctioned.

Sorry Casey, but I am pretty sure this post failed.

You cast many slurs, which are not supported by any facts. Hearsay is not a fact. Toxic characterizations without facts are hardly supportive of an argument. Charging someone of many transgressions without supporting facts does not build a persuasive argument.

Your characterization of Weems is interesting. Almost saint like, but not hoodlum like.

If WSU should be sanctioned, what is the basis for the sanction?

If IL State should be sanctioned, what it the basis for the sanction?

[CBB_Fan]

I have heard from someone who deals with Marshall on a fairly regular basis that he is one of the most arrogant, narcissistic people you will ever meet. I think that plays a large part in what makes him such a great coach and as long as he is our narcissist, I couldn't care less.

It should be noted that many people found Michael Jordan to be incredibly arrogant, narcissistic, and petty. In many ways, that is what drove his incredible competitive streak. He took any challenge as a personal slight.

I'm not comparing quality here (Gregg is not the coaching equivalent of Jordan), just noting that it isn't an insult to say that a sporting personality isn't a completely nice guy. If they are, and can stay ultra-competitive, that is a bonus, but it is secondary to winning.

Also, insert the standard argument about on the court versus off the court problems. You won't find much legal or academic trouble around the Wichita State program no matter how they may act on the court.

[Khan4Cats]

Only coach to be ejected from an MVC tourney game?
Only coach to demand that he get the press room first after losing in St Louis instead of the traditional second spot?
Only coach publicly cite conspiracies, "strange happenings" and the lack of a neutral court in the a post game presser to explain a loss in at St Louis?
One of two coaches to be involved in a post game dispute outside of the locker rooms?

Why is it that the common denominator in all of these incidents is Gregg Marshall? Coincidence, I guess.

4 weeks of no posting and what is the common denominator to get you to come back out of the wood work?

No, he returned last week to post about the gloom and doom facing FCS football if Big Ten teams refuse to schedule them. Sorry, Shocks and Marshall, you take a second seat to his all encompassing passion to take pleasure from anything that may damage UNI and any of the football playing schools.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Nothing like a little coach hate to bring the emotion to conference fan base. Gregg Marhall is to the MVC what Steve Spurrier is to SEC football....and it really brings out the passion.

In a very superficial way I agree but there are quite a few differences. Spurrier was hated because he won big and I don't mean the college football equivalent of the NIT, no I mean many SEC titles and several MNC's. He was good looking and won a Heisman. People reviled him for that. He was accused of running up the score. And he did but that's the other coach's fault ultimately. He was surly with the media but he wasn't vile and didn't curse out opposing coaches and their assistants.

It is a flattering comparison to Marshall quite frankly. A guy that has won one NCAA Tournament game. He IS a good coach. He is. Absolutely. But that isn't why he is so derided by many of his colleagues. The man will be turning 50 soon and I think he will take a look in the mirror and act better. I really believe that. He certainly needs to.

Please identify the Coach Marshall behaviors, which you believe he should improve.

When you say uncomplimentary statements about folks, it would be helpful, if you would provide facts.
Facts, which can be substantiated. As an example, how do you know with factual certainty that Coach Marshall is "derided by so many of his colleagues."

[valleychamp]

Only coach to be ejected from an MVC tourney game?
Only coach to demand that he get the press room first after losing in St Louis instead of the traditional second spot?
Only coach publicly cite conspiracies, "strange happenings" and the lack of a neutral court in the a post game presser to explain a loss in at St Louis?
One of two coaches to be involved in a post game dispute outside of the locker rooms?

Why is it that the common denominator in all of these incidents is Gregg Marshall? Coincidence, I guess.

4 weeks of no posting and what is the common denominator to get you to come back out of the wood work?

No, he returned last week to post about the gloom and doom facing FCS football if Big Ten teams refuse to schedule them. Sorry, Shocks and Marshall, you take a second seat to his all encompassing passion to take pleasure from anything that may damage UNI and any of the football playing schools.

And he also just had to take the time to inform everyone of his "self imposed moratorium" (huh?) before doing so.

"Hey everybody, please acknowledge that I have not posted in a few weeks. Look at me!!!"

[CaseyGarrisonforPrez]

Ricardo,

You make some good points and have some good questions as well. Firstly I must add that this is a message board and therefore I am clearly interjecting my opinions into the equation. I know very little in the way of facts on this particular incident. Only what I saw on television, coupled with a newspaper report, and what I read on an ISURed forum. Then I filled in the gaps with what I THINK could have happened. It is not exact.

ISURed sanctions: If they are found guilty of widespread throwing of projectiles at players then I suggest the Valley take a page out of the UEFA soccer playbook and make them play a home game without the luxury of having fan support. Just allow the coaches, players, referees, and other essential administrators for a single home game.

WSU sanctions: If Jans or Marshall are found guilty of accosting an opposing coach, player, or administrator be it a verbal or physical incident--and I have heard a couple of accounts--then they should be suspended a single game as well. I wouldn't punish Hall or the WSU players because they are merely doing what their coaches clearly condone.

[Haha]

Now we are talking...

Still I want to see more stones lobbed.

[horacepinker]

Ricardo,
I believe that Marshall and staff should be punished under the "big meanie face" section of NCAA rules.

[3ontheway]

question for shox fans:

do you feel that coach marshall is a classy coach, or do you feel he could possibly display a little more class at times?

along the same line of questioning, do you care if he is a classless coach and human being, if so deemed, or only care about wins and losses?

please note i am not deeming him a classless coach and, or human being, i don't know him from adam. i would possibly be in the camp of he could maybe use better judgment in that department at times from what i have seen and a couple of interviews i have seen him give these last few years.

thanks in advance for your honest answers.

great road win last night btw.