Wichita State classless coach and players

[GoShockers89]

So those two stories about UNI players getting 3 game suspensions for violating team rules pretty much confirm that Jacobson is following the standard athletic department 10% of the season requirement. College students are going to mess up, and when they do it's good to have a uniform standard to hold them accountable. UNI does, and Jacobson seems to be consistently following that standard.

I don't think WSU is a dirty program, and there certainly isn't any evidence of that. But I think holding student-athletes accountable according to previously agreed standards is about the opposite of dirty.

I think you should read the last page and a half of posts by one of your school's fans for context.

[GoShockers89]

I have a couple of questions that I need answered before I can determine the veracity of this post.

First of all, who was the last WSU player arrested?

Secondly, does Jamar Howard count?

Sure. John Smith, 1992.

No, Howard was not active on WSU's roster during any arrests.

Good to have you back from self-imposed exodus. Stunning you would re-emerge in this thread.

[DoubleJayAlum]

I have a couple of questions that I need answered before I can determine the veracity of this post.

First of all, who was the last WSU player arrested?

Secondly, does Jamar Howard count?

Sure. John Smith, 1992.

No, Howard was not active on WSU's roster during any arrests.

So. just to make sure I get this straight ---

WSU fans proudly claim an NBA player as their own, even though he graduated from Texas, but Jamar Howard stops being a Shocker upon the expiration of his college eligibility. Hmmm....

[GoShockers89]

I think you have some schools on that list that do not belong according tot he criteria you have defined.

Enlighten me.

[GoShockers89]

So. just to make sure I get this straight ---

WSU fans proudly claim an NBA player as their own, even though he graduated from Texas, but Jamar Howard stops being a Shocker upon the expiration of his college eligibility. Hmmm....

I eagerly await your correction. Or you can admit you were wrong. Up to you.

[shoxrox]

Good to have you back from self-imposed exodus. Stunning you would re-emerge in this thread.

Shocking, isn't it?

I guess he's just on a self-imposed exodus on everything BJ-related. He hasn't discussed one iota about the BJ's recent misfortunes since the WSU loss, but he has come back to remind people about a few things involving conference realignment, and then of course, WSU hate.

I'd probably stay away from BJ discussion too if I was him. Looks like another year of an outright Valley title, that was all but a lock, is out of sight.

[RoyalShock]

I have a couple of questions that I need answered before I can determine the veracity of this post.

First of all, who was the last WSU player arrested?

Secondly, does Jamar Howard count?

Sure. John Smith, 1992.

No, Howard was not active on WSU's roster during any arrests.

So. just to make sure I get this straight ---

WSU fans proudly claim an NBA player as their own, even though he graduated from Texas, but Jamar Howard stops being a Shocker upon the expiration of his college eligibility. Hmmm....

"Player" implies current. Maurice Evans is a former WSU basketball player. Jamar Howard was a former WSU basketball player when he got arrested, though possibly still a current student. I don't know if he was still attending classes or not. A technicality? Maybe. But at least he waited until after his eligibility ran out to exercise poor judgement. That seems to be the standard I see being applied by nearly all fanbases when they discuss the off-court behavior of their own players.

[SHOXMVC]

Has any other MVC school had multiple NCAA sanctions put on their program? Was is 6 violations or 7? I can't remember.

History is important and helps shape a schools reputation even if it's old.

History...pst, Kyle, remember about 30 years ago how your family was considered upstanding & classy? That was 30+ years ago, which apparently has pointless meaning...look at how you have single handedly flipped that family reputation around.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Sure. John Smith, 1992.

No, Howard was not active on WSU's roster during any arrests.

So. just to make sure I get this straight ---

WSU fans proudly claim an NBA player as their own, even though he graduated from Texas, but Jamar Howard stops being a Shocker upon the expiration of his college eligibility. Hmmm....

"Player" implies current. Maurice Evans is a former WSU basketball player. Jamar Howard was a former WSU basketball player when he got arrested, though possibly still a current student. I don't know if he was still attending classes or not. A technicality? Maybe. But at least he waited until after his eligibility ran out to exercise poor judgement. That seems to be the standard I see being applied by nearly all fanbases when they discuss the off-court behavior of their own players.

He was arrested within a couple of weeks, if not days, of playing his last game and while still a student (assuming he hadn't be expelled prior to that time). If we are going to say that doesn't make him a Shocker, it would seems as though we are really, really stretching the definition to create an exception.

Frankly, I'm not trying to pile on WSU at all here, but just think that GoShockers89's attempts to claim that WSU is so clean while the remainder of the conference harbors criminals is intellectually dishonest. If he didn't make his little list, stretching the truth and reality, I wouldn't have said a thing.

[GoShockers89]

There was no stretched truth, you just misread and failed at your attempt to cherrypick low hanging fruit.

And the arrest was during/immediately following his senior finals. So, wrong again.

Now let's talk about your fan's baseless accusation of recruiting violations which started your avalanche of fail.