DoubleJayAlum wrote:Not really, as I didn't see a single college basketball player in your list. You kinda cheated and went with athletes of a sport that really only takes place during one college semester (a couple weeks of practice in the spring don't count).
Further, the fact that you would use FSU student athletes as the key to your argument is probably not well thought out. Considering the academic scandals and known cheating that has been prevalent throughout the athletic department, it is pretty hard to take the academic achievements of FSU athletes very seriously. It sounds like they give away diplomas down there pretty easily and recklessly.
Nevertheless, if you want to list 5 basketball players that have earned their degrees in only three years (not including a redshirt year) from the recent past, I'll keep waiting. I received my degree in three years, so I know exactly what it takes.
I'm sorry, did you ask for examples of basketball players, prick? My statement was sports stars. I think I'm done playing your game. I've already proven you completely wrong, and I'm not interested in whatever caveat you attempt to put on it after I go through the legwork to prove you wrong yet again. My statement was "Plenty of sports starts have been able to graduate in three years." You condescendingly called me out for it. I proved you wrong. You've changed the rules. You are wrong, and you can attempt to play word games to get out of ever actually admitting to it all you like.
If you want to make the argument that it's more difficult for basketball players to graduate in 3 years than players of other sports, that is an acceptable counter-argument. Challenging me to provide 5 names of "sports stars" to have done so and THEN claiming they don't count because they're not basketball players is intellectually dishonest and cowardly. If you didn't get the answer you were looking for, that's because you failed to ask the right question. Calling it cheating is pathetic.
Shockem's already provided you with one. I've given you numerous football examples. Go do your own damn legwork. I've already proven MY statement, which YOU challenged, to be correct. If you're too lazy to see if it applies to basketball, that's your own problem.
And there wasn't one player I listed who was involved in the academic cheating scandal from that period. I believe Ponder and Rolle were the only two that might have been on the team at that point. I suppose you could disregard my examples in that sense ... but didn't Creighton have a rather public example of graduating a basketball player who was illiterate? http://espn.go.com/page2/tvlistings/sho ... cript.html
It is pretty hard to take the academic achievements of Creighton athletes very seriously. It sounds like they give away diplomas up there pretty easily and recklessly. I suppose there is a difference, though ... FSU self-reported the cheating scandal when Bowden discovered it. Creighton had to be exposed by ESPN.
Stones and glass houses.
I know a good portion of college students don't normally take summer classes, or only take one class, and either work or party the rest of the summer. Those are usually the guys that take five years to graduate, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's college ... do whatever you want. I mock my wife regularly for graduating when she had just turned 20 ... turning 21 while you're already working for Microsoft just isn't the same >=)