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Re: Tie-Breaker

Postby DoubleJayAlum » February 26th, 2013, 7:17 am

CBB_Fan wrote:RPI Top 50 wins:
Creighton(AVG. 39.7): Wisconsin (25), vs. Akron (50), @California (44)
Wichita (38.7): @VCU (35), Southern Miss (36), vs. Creighton (45)

RPI Top 50 losses:
Creighton (40.3): vs. Boise State (47), @Wichita State (31), @Saint Mary's (43)
Wichita: No top 50 losses

RPI 51-100 wins:
Creighton (79): Arizona State (86), Saint Joseph's (85), @Nebraska (92), vs Indiana State (59), vs UNI (73)
Wichita (71.2): Iowa (89), @Air Force (72), UNI (73), @Indiana State (59), Detroit (63)

RPI 51-100 losses:
Creighton (66): @Indiana State (59), @UNI (73)
Wichita (62.7): @Tennessee (56), vs. Indiana State (59), @UNI (73)

RPI 101-200 losses:
Creighton (128.5): vs. Illinois State (106), @Drake (151)
Wichita (153): @Evansville (115), @SIU (191)

So, in summary Creighton beats Wichita State in two categories: Top 50 losses, and RPI 101-200 losses. I think it is fair to say that Creighton's strength of schedule is stronger because of those top 50 losses.

The tie breaker is NONCON SOS. All of the conference games you listed are not included in the computation. When you back the conference games out of your breakdown, it changes things pretty dramatically. For example, CU would have more top 50 wins than WSU and less 51-100 losses.

Hacksaw, thanks for providing your chart tracking weekly noncon SOS numbers. When looking at that chart, it is apparent that there have been several 40+ point moves during just the brief period of time that you've done the tracking. I think a lot of people hadn't realized the noncon SOS figure is so fluid - it changes daily based on what each team's opponents do, just like RPI. Because of that, WSU could recapture the top spot before the season ends.
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Re: Tie-Breaker

Postby CBB_Fan » February 26th, 2013, 10:03 am

The point was that Wichita State's resume is better. It was in response to:

"Just looking at who their schedules it's very clear that Creighton has played an won against better teams than Wichita St."

And I was trying to illustrate that the comment was not true, not prove a point about SoS. Besides, here is the solely non-portion parts of the schedule (again, this is not about SoS, but about the total resume):

RPI Top 50 wins:
Creighton(AVG. 39.7): Wisconsin (25), vs. Akron (50), @California (44)
Wichita (35.5): @VCU (35), Southern Miss (36)

RPI Top 50 losses:
Creighton (45): vs. Boise State (47), @Saint Mary's (43)
Wichita: No top 50 losses

RPI 51-100 wins:
Creighton (87.7): Arizona State (86), Saint Joseph's (85), @Nebraska (92)
Wichita (74.7): Iowa (89), @Air Force (72), Detroit (63)

RPI 51-100 losses:
Creighton: No RPI 50-100 losses
Wichita (56): @Tennessee (56)

RPI 101-200 losses:
None for either team OOC

So my point is basically the same. The only clear advantage is in the 51-100 range, where Creighton has one less loss. In the Top 50 range, Creighton has one more win, but a total 3-2 record with against opponents with a higher average RPI.
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