If Creighton leaves, I'm going to miss the Valley

[Snaggletooth]

Now if Wichita State bolts to another conference, the MVC will be hurting, but we'll save that discussion for another day.

WSU is not going anywhere. I know there are some kool aid drinkers shocker fans, but it not going to happen. There just isn't anyplace.

What could hurt the MVC though is if Marshall leaves because it will mean likely WSU will fall back - that is my biggest concern. If he doesn't then he is poised to have WSU on a path of consistent long term success and that is what the MVC needs is at least 1 team succeeding every year (more would be better).

[musiccitybulldog]

The Valley will go on. I think I said it on another post, as I was around when Louisville, Memphis and St Louis was in and out. There have been good teams, coaches in and out, as there will be in the future.

It's change. Change can be exciting and over the years the fans have had plenty to be excited about, I am sure we will in the future.

[LJay]

Will miss the Valley and the Lou. Will not miss the characters here who turned this into a cesspool.

I like Barruh a lot and I hope he is successful at SIU. Personally I think he can bring them back to greatness. To friends from Drake, good luck with the hire. Since DM is part of my territory I may still catch a Drake game,,,maybe I'll buy a Drake shirt!

I get to Wichita some too and I know a number of folks there,,,great folks and passionate fans. Too bad they let some of the inmates out of the asylum and they made their way here.

Adieu MVC.

[3ontheway]

I will still follow CU. I am a valley fan and CU has been a valley member for such a long time that I will still root for them against non valley schools. This year I will be rooting for them to go very deep in the tourney. P.S. I think they can with a good draw. As far as next year and beyond I don't see things ending the way most CU fans think it will but the temptations are too much to say no. Best of luck and CU will need it.

Playing with the big boys when geographically you dont fit in and your coach is unproven at that level is a scary thing. The fan support/money is there but that does not always translate to success when your playing with the big boys. All that does is get you a seat at the table.

again, to just assume that cu will need luck to not be a doormat is just a pretty mindless asssumption. what i find so funny is wsu fans (at least some posting here) feeling like cu just has no chance at all of being competitive despite the fact that they have been a better program compared to wsu over the last 15 years. i can guarantee that these same posters would feel like wsu would not have the same outlook for the shox despite the fact that they have not even been the 2nd best program in the valley over the last 15 years (siu despite their recent slide are 2nd and maybe even on par with cu). what has been the head to head record between cu and wsu in that time? cu could have had more success in the dance over this span, no doubt, but they have been the most consistent program in the valley and that is why they are getting invited. are they going to light it up in the BE? No, they need to recruit higher level players and that will take some time. but to just say that you know they will be at or near the bottom of the league for years and years just reeks of sour grapes.

[DUBulldog]

To friends from Drake, good luck with the hire. Since DM is part of my territory I may still catch a Drake game,,,maybe I'll buy a Drake shirt!

It would look better than any of your CU shirts, ya prack.

Seriously, give me a call next time you'll be in DSM.

[C0|db|00ded]

I guess you can add me as one of those that thinks BJ is going to have a rough time. I think this is so for a couple of reasons. First, BJ is strapped for cash. They invest everything they have in basketball, and I mean everything... When they move to the catholic 7, they are going to be earning the same TV revenue as all the other schools, but they are going to have a disproportionate amount of travel costs as they are all alone in the Midwest. They are going to have to travel quite a distance to play 70% of the teams in the league - for every sport. Also, the majority of the Big East teams that are moving to the catholic 7 have been well fed with TV revenue for some time. BJ is brand new to the game and has very little assets. In fact they have almost none. Can someone say American Express? I suspect BJ will be fighting it out with Butler for the official title of "Evansville of the League".

I also have an issue with their coach. I don't think he is very good and he is definitely not a very good recruiter. If it wasn't for his son's miraculous development of basketball skill prior to entering college (his own father said he was often picked last for local rec games while in HS), BJ would have been sucking eggs the last couple years. I think Chewbacca gets exposed big time in the new league, therefore BJ will be seeking a replacement coach soon.

Some scoff at the idea that WSU would be more successful in the new league quicker than the BJ. I think the argument has merit because WSU has deeper pockets AND they have a better coach. HCGM would recruit has arse off in that league and would have big ballers lined up in short order. I think Chewie is going to try and keep recruiting the same areas he has been recruiting and that will be bad news bears for the BJ.

Hopefully for BJ's sake there will be some local money that will step up in wake of the conference upgrade and help jumpstart things because you know the catholic 7 ain't gonna send them a lump sum check of their yearly TV contract revenue. BJ really needs cash flow so Chewie can afford to fly all over the US and convince some recruits that BJ will be the next big thing. Chewie also needs a jet with a large payload ability because.. well.. Chewie is a big Wookie.

BJ leaving the conference is a great thing for Shocker fans because now our administration has to make some moves. I have been begging for years that we leave and now our administration is looking at having to take some chances instead of settling for the status quo. The Shockers have the cash, the tradition, the coach, and the fanbase to be a great addition to any upper-level conference. The thing that kills us is not having football. We can thank our ex-KU-loving administrators for killing our D1 football when it wasn't necessary. That move has bit us in the ass for the last 25 years.

We need to take out an add in the major newspapers around the country: Major basketball program seeks major conference for competitive fun (will provide top 10 basketball arena/fanbase, 10's of millions of dollars for general operations increase, one of the hottest non-BCS coaches in the country, and one of the best non-BCS recruiting classes in the nation.)


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[TrueBlueJay]

I guess you can add me as one that is scared sh!tless about the future of WSU basketball but I will continue to post drivel to hide this. Truly a scared boy whistling in the dark to keep my spirits up.



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Excellent post Clod.

[3ontheway]

I guess you can add me as one of those that thinks BJ is going to have a rough time. I think this is so for a couple of reasons. First, BJ is strapped for cash. They invest everything they have in basketball, and I mean everything... When they move to the catholic 7, they are going to be earning the same TV revenue as all the other schools, but they are going to have a disproportionate amount of travel costs as they are all alone in the Midwest. They are going to have to travel quite a distance to play 70% of the teams in the league - for every sport. Also, the majority of the Big East teams that are moving to the catholic 7 have been well fed with TV revenue for some time. BJ is brand new to the game and has very little assets. In fact they have almost none. Can someone say American Express? I suspect BJ will be fighting it out with Butler for the official title of "Evansville of the League".

I also have an issue with their coach. I don't think he is very good and he is definitely not a very good recruiter. If it wasn't for his son's miraculous development of basketball skill prior to entering college (his own father said he was often picked last for local rec games while in HS), BJ would have been sucking eggs the last couple years. I think Chewbacca gets exposed big time in the new league, therefore BJ will be seeking a replacement coach soon.

Some scoff at the idea that WSU would be more successful in the new league quicker than the BJ. I think the argument has merit because WSU has deeper pockets AND they have a better coach. HCGM would recruit has arse off in that league and would have big ballers lined up in short order. I think Chewie is going to try and keep recruiting the same areas he has been recruiting and that will be bad news bears for the BJ.

Hopefully for BJ's sake there will be some local money that will step up in wake of the conference upgrade and help jumpstart things because you know the catholic 7 ain't gonna send them a lump sum check of their yearly TV contract revenue. BJ really needs cash flow so Chewie can afford to fly all over the US and convince some recruits that BJ will be the next big thing. Chewie also needs a jet with a large payload ability because.. well.. Chewie is a big Wookie.

BJ leaving the conference is a great thing for Shocker fans because now our administration has to make some moves. I have been begging for years that we leave and now our administration is looking at having to take some chances instead of settling for the status quo. The Shockers have the cash, the tradition, the coach, and the fanbase to be a great addition to any upper-level conference. The thing that kills us is not having football. We can thank our ex-KU-loving administrators for killing our D1 football when it wasn't necessary. That move has bit us in the ass for the last 25 years.

We need to take out an add in the major newspapers around the country: Major basketball program seeks major conference for competitive fun (will provide top 10 basketball arena/fanbase, 10's of millions of dollars for general operations increase, one of the hottest non-BCS coaches in the country, and one of the best non-BCS recruiting classes in the nation.)


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this isn't about wsu. i know that is hard for you to accept as the dreaded "bj" is the one that is likely moving out of the conference you consider so small time and the shox are still in it.

while you root for cu to fail and delude yourself about the shox significance, always remember how the last 2 games went head to head, one to win the mvc regular season, and the other that kept the streak alive of wsu not winning the mvc tourney as it now approaches 3 decades.

i understand the sour grapes and animosity is rooted in diana dominating the shox for a decade, if i were a shox fan, i would probably hate cu as well, and then the whole booker woodfox debacle which followed a close loss to cu and prince korver a few years earlier in the lou. i get it. just try to use a little bit of reason in your thought process and not be blinded by the hate.

time will tell if the lowly little old cu can compete in the big boy sandbox if this becomes official next week, until then happy st. paddy's cold, and farewell.

[np9]

In the Big East, Creighton certainly won't be the "big fish" anymore. Sure, they'll get some more money right away, but in the end they'll be in a similar NCAA position (arguably worse) than they are now in the Valley, except minus the conference regular season titles, which they have few of anyways.

I'm a Creighton fan, and I would describe my feelings on moving to the new conference as cautiously optimistic. I don't think anyone other than the most ardent blue kool-aid drinkers think that we will march into the Big East and dominate from year 1. It's uncharted territory for sure, but the long-term upside is big enough that it's a risk worth taking.

I don't really understand the so-called "big fish" argument either. If being a big fish in a small pond is so much better than being a smaller fish in the Big East, then why aren't WSU fans (or any other fans of MVC schools for that matter) pushing for a move to the Summit or Horizon? Move to a smaller pond and you can be an even bigger fish, right? Cruise through the conference tournament in a weak league and go to the NCAA every year, no?

We all know it doesn't work that way, so why pretend it does for Creighton moving in the opposite direction?

In time Creighton will get more money, more media exposure, more fan interest, better recruits, and so on. Move down to a weaker league and you might dominate for a few years, but eventually you'll get less of all of the above.

Fish adapt to the size of their ponds.

[C0|db|00ded]

Not always. Sometimes they are eaten alive as bait fish when introduced.


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