CBS: MVC looking at Missouri-Kansas City

[bradley_brave1989]

I think it has to be a back up plan of back up plans. UMKC is not what we need. The only plus side to them is the Kansas City market. There is literally 20 teams i can think of before them. I would rather have Youngstown St. or another horizon bottom feader.

That being said in all honesty i think its time to look in the mirror with our conference. I think including myself we tend to overvalue ourselves. The more the clock ticks on this I realize that we are not that big time because we would already have a replacement. Why is UMKC being mentioned? Probably because alot of teams have said no. Maybe I am being negative but i truly beielve a football/basketball split is upon us. Just like what happened with Catholic 7. Its sad to say, but I would be surprised if in the next 5 years the Valley is even close to what we have now.

[IllinoisState]

I think it has to be a back up plan of back up plans. UMKC is not what we need. The only plus side to them is the Kansas City market. There is literally 20 teams i can think of before them. I would rather have Youngstown St. or another horizon bottom feader.

That being said in all honesty i think its time to look in the mirror with our conference. I think including myself we tend to overvalue ourselves. The more the clock ticks on this I realize that we are not that big time because we would already have a replacement. Why is UMKC being mentioned? Probably because alot of teams have said no. Maybe I am being negative but i truly beielve a football/basketball split is upon us. Just like what happened with Catholic 7. Its sad to say, but I would be surprised if in the next 5 years the Valley is even close to what we have now.

The Missouri Valley doesn't even sponsor football. It has been a non-issue since day one. Why would there be a split between schools? And you do know that plenty of The Catholic 7/Big East do have football teams but they play at the FCS level and not the FBS level.

[aceslifer]

I vote for UMKC ,LOYOLA and ORAL ROBERTS. Three good markets for the mvc.

[rlh04d]

I think it has to be a back up plan of back up plans. UMKC is not what we need. The only plus side to them is the Kansas City market. There is literally 20 teams i can think of before them. I would rather have Youngstown St. or another horizon bottom feader.

That being said in all honesty i think its time to look in the mirror with our conference. I think including myself we tend to overvalue ourselves. The more the clock ticks on this I realize that we are not that big time because we would already have a replacement. Why is UMKC being mentioned? Probably because alot of teams have said no. Maybe I am being negative but i truly beielve a football/basketball split is upon us. Just like what happened with Catholic 7. Its sad to say, but I would be surprised if in the next 5 years the Valley is even close to what we have now.

The Valley is what it is. It's a top 10 basketball conference (at this second), but it is extremely constrained by geography. There just really aren't many good teams out there that are willing to join the conference who are near our geographic footprint. And the conference isn't willing to expand beyond current geographic limitations -- nothing says that better than even considering UMKC.

And no. Realistically, what I see happening in the next few years is that the Valley will fall significantly. The Creighton departure was the first step, and likely drops the MVC out of the top 10 conferences nationally. Wichita State will leave. Both teams will be replaced by safe, decent teams that are close enough to not stress resources.

I don't know that I'd say it's going to be a football/basketball split, though. I'm not sure if Evansville, Bradley, or Drake will have any better options. I suppose fans of those three would know what options they might have if they're looking at a Valley that's a top 15 conference rather than top 10.

[Ali]

And no. Realistically, what I see happening in the next few years is that the Valley will fall significantly. The Creighton departure was the first step, and likely drops the MVC out of the top 10 conferences nationally. Wichita State will leave. Both teams will be replaced by safe, decent teams that are close enough to not stress resources.

I don't know that I'd say it's going to be a football/basketball split, though. I'm not sure if Evansville, Bradley, or Drake will have any better options. I suppose fans of those three would know what options they might have if they're looking at a Valley that's a top 15 conference rather than top 10.

I'm a little surprised Bradley hasn't been mentioned as a possible A-10 addition. Not too far outside the footprint and they have history and support.

[Shockerfan13]

Not so sure UMKC would help the Valley get much of the KC market. KU and Mizzou own KC. I say HE'LL NO to UMKC.....

[Chuck A]

I think it has to be a back up plan of back up plans. UMKC is not what we need. The only plus side to them is the Kansas City market. There is literally 20 teams i can think of before them. I would rather have Youngstown St. or another horizon bottom feader.

That being said in all honesty i think its time to look in the mirror with our conference. I think including myself we tend to overvalue ourselves. The more the clock ticks on this I realize that we are not that big time because we would already have a replacement. Why is UMKC being mentioned? Probably because alot of teams have said no. Maybe I am being negative but i truly beielve a football/basketball split is upon us. Just like what happened with Catholic 7. Its sad to say, but I would be surprised if in the next 5 years the Valley is even close to what we have now.

The Valley is what it is. It's a top 10 basketball conference (at this second), but it is extremely constrained by geography. There just really aren't many good teams out there that are willing to join the conference who are near our geographic footprint. And the conference isn't willing to expand beyond current geographic limitations -- nothing says that better than even considering UMKC.

And no. Realistically, what I see happening in the next few years is that the Valley will fall significantly. The Creighton departure was the first step, and likely drops the MVC out of the top 10 conferences nationally. Wichita State will leave. Both teams will be replaced by safe, decent teams that are close enough to not stress resources.

I don't know that I'd say it's going to be a football/basketball split, though. I'm not sure if Evansville, Bradley, or Drake will have any better options. I suppose fans of those three would know what options they might have if they're looking at a Valley that's a top 15 conference rather than top 10.

You guys do tend to overvalue yourselves. The facts are, however, the Missouri Valley is a perennial top ten league. Some recent years, it's been higher than that. The only reason the Valley is not considered a BCS conference and does not have a huge cable TV contract or have any of the the Big 4 networks knocking down its doors is because of the driving force of college sports...FOOTBALL!

Having said that, the Valley will be fine, eventhough as you've stated the MVC is constrained geographically. Where is Wichita State going without big time football? Some here have advocated going to the Mountain West. Those schools are out of the geographic footprint of the Valley. Could it be that the reason the MVC doesn't already have a replacement is that Elgin and his contingent are trying to make the best possible decision for the Conference going forward for the long haul? You don't want to move too hastily with say, a Valpo, and wind up with fool's gold. Or invite a Kansas City with promises never being fulfilled. You cannot compare the quickness with which the A-10 replaced its departing institutions with the perceived lackadaisical approach Doug Elgin is taking. The deadline is June 30 for a replacement or replacements. Mr. Elgin with do a fine job, he'll bring in the right team(s) and the Valley will be stronger for it. You guys seem to give him absolutely NO CREDIT AT ALL for the MVC being a top ten league.

You guys just need to chill.

[TheDrake]

I vote for UMKC ,LOYOLA and ORAL ROBERTS. Three good markets for the mvc.

Three guaranteed bottom feeders brought in to further divide revenue? I'm glad your vote doesn't count.

[lurkingdog]

OKC radio guy tweeted this.

Greg Swaim Show ‏@GSwaim 2 Apr

Looks like #MVC will choose between #ORU and #UMKC. Need to expand their footprint back into the Tulsa area, and help conference recruiting.

[CBB_Fan]

ORU isn't good, but they are FAR, FAR closer to being good the UMKC. The 'Roos would need significant further investment to be a candidate, IMHO.

Personally, I'd think Loyola-Chicago would be the better option, because Chicago is such a recruiting hotbed and is closer to the other schools in the conference. And they have some history.