CBS: MVC looking at Missouri-Kansas City

[KC MVC FAN]

In comparison, the top schools in the Valley are spending around $4 million a year for men's basketball, $15-20 million for athletics in general, have average attendances over 10,000, and pay their coaches greater than $1 million a year. The low spenders in the conference are spending in the range I described.[/quote]


All the games MVC I have seen on TV, othe than WSU home game, or WSU away games looking at rhe stands, I think must have been played during a blizzard. Announced attendance is not bodies sitting in seats. I many time thought that MVC and home school officials told the TV personnel no pictures of the stands and empty seats.

UMKC may not fill the 10,00 seats in Municipal for all MVC games, but I bet the local business community will insure that all seats are sold--thats KC. And KC is a hell of a lot bigger TV market than Wichita, Waterloo, Peoria, Terre Haute, and SIU (where is SIU?, ILS?). Cant say that for Tulsa (ORU) or Chicago for Loyola and U Chicago)

[lurkingdog]

In comparison, the top schools in the Valley are spending around $4 million a year for men's basketball,

Check the Dept of Education website. The Shox are over $6m/year now. Bradley is the second highest spender at just over $4m. On the low end, Indiana State spends less than $3m

Do you have a point? Maybe you're trying to demonstrate that Bradley is spending $600,000 per conference win. Ok--got it.

[lurkingdog]

...average attendances over 10,000

No. Only WSU has a home average over 10k. 2012 conference average was just over 7k, and that includes former MVC program Creighton @ 16k.

[CBB_Fan]

I was counting Wichita State and Creighton of course. And if you don't think investment is important, I can't help you. Spending more money doesn't guarantee wins, but investment is the biggest single thing that determines the worth of program. Bradley's $600,000 per MVC win may seem silly, but that money allows them build better facilities, attract better recruits, and get/keep good coaches. If you plotted a graph of RPI and budget, you'd find a distinct positive relationship.

Simply put, UMKC would not improve the Valley at this point. At best, we are talking a team that would well below the average level of investment for an MVC school, with an RPI this year of 284. Could they possibly get into the conversation with increased investment and improvement of the program? I'd say so. But they aren't there yet.

[lurkingdog]

Spending more money doesn't guarantee wins

Correct. And winning is what counts.

More power to those who can win efficiently.

[rlh04d]

In comparison, the top schools in the Valley are spending around $4 million a year for men's basketball, $15-20 million for athletics in general, have average attendances over 10,000, and pay their coaches greater than $1 million a year. The low spenders in the conference are spending in the range I described.

Only WSU meets those numbers as far as current MVC teams go. Creighton also meeting it, and leaving, shows that the top teams are an aberration and are too big for the conference. Shouldn't be evaluating prospective teams on Creighton/WSU numbers, because we won't get anyone.

[IllinoisState]

In comparison, the top schools in the Valley are spending around $4 million a year for men's basketball, $15-20 million for athletics in general, have average attendances over 10,000, and pay their coaches greater than $1 million a year. The low spenders in the conference are spending in the range I described.

Only WSU meets those numbers as far as current MVC teams go. Creighton also meeting it, and leaving, shows that the top teams are an aberration and are too big for the conference. Shouldn't be evaluating prospective teams on Creighton/WSU numbers, because we won't get anyone.

Wichita State has had a losing season as recently as 2007-2008. They aren't as superior as you are making them out to be.

[jwa123]

In comparison, the top schools in the Valley are spending around $4 million a year for men's basketball, $15-20 million for athletics in general, have average attendances over 10,000, and pay their coaches greater than $1 million a year. The low spenders in the conference are spending in the range I described.

Only WSU meets those numbers as far as current MVC teams go. Creighton also meeting it, and leaving, shows that the top teams are an aberration and are too big for the conference. Shouldn't be evaluating prospective teams on Creighton/WSU numbers, because we won't get anyone.

Wichita State has had a losing season as recently as 2007-2008. They aren't as superior as you are Making them out to be.

You won't win with these guys that support WSU. They are very much full of themselves which I find interesting since they haven't done a thing themselves for such inflated egos. The work was done by 19 year olds in short pants.

[AndShock]

In comparison, the top schools in the Valley are spending around $4 million a year for men's basketball, $15-20 million for athletics in general, have average attendances over 10,000, and pay their coaches greater than $1 million a year. The low spenders in the conference are spending in the range I described.

Only WSU meets those numbers as far as current MVC teams go. Creighton also meeting it, and leaving, shows that the top teams are an aberration and are too big for the conference. Shouldn't be evaluating prospective teams on Creighton/WSU numbers, because we won't get anyone.

Wichita State has had a losing season as recently as 2007-2008. They aren't as superior as you are Making them out to be.

And we had the money/resources to make sure the losing seasons didn't last that long while not hurting the Valley too much while we were rebuilding which some Valley schools are notorious for doing.

[IllinoisState]

Only WSU meets those numbers as far as current MVC teams go. Creighton also meeting it, and leaving, shows that the top teams are an aberration and are too big for the conference. Shouldn't be evaluating prospective teams on Creighton/WSU numbers, because we won't get anyone.

Wichita State has had a losing season as recently as 2007-2008. They aren't as superior as you are Making them out to be.

You won't win with these guys that support WSU. They are very much full of themselves which I find interesting since they haven't done a thing themselves for such inflated egos. The work was done by 19 year olds in short pants.

I see that now.

And we had the money/resources to make sure the losing seasons didn't last that long while not hurting the Valley too much while we were rebuilding which some Valley schools are notorious for doing.

And what schools would those be?