CBS: MVC looking at Missouri-Kansas City

[DoubleJayAlum]

On a related note, I feel that Bradley would be more appealing to the A10 than WSU merely because of proximity. Of course, if both UD and SLU leave the A10, Bradley would be in the same position as WSU.

If the only thing conferences looked at was geography, you would still be here.

Until the A10 has a multi-million dollar TV deal, geography will be an important factor in determining its expansion candidates.

[rlh04d]

On a related note, I feel that Bradley would be more appealing to the A10 than WSU merely because of proximity. Of course, if both UD and SLU leave the A10, Bradley would be in the same position as WSU.

If the only thing conferences looked at was geography, you would still be here.

Until the A10 has a multi-million dollar TV deal, geography will be an important factor in determining its expansion candidates.

You're right. But geography isn't the only thing that matters.

And WSU has added around $14 million to the MVC in the last ten years in NCAA shares alone. All via at-large bids. What team do you think the A-10 can expand with that will add as much money as WSU, even without a TV deal?

As a Creighton fan, I'd imagine you've already looked at how much travel expenses will be increased by playing in a conference so heavily based in the east coast. What is the increased travel cost to Creighton? How much does traveling to Omaha cost the other teams in the Big Priest? Because I can almost guarantee Creighton's 7 shares of the NCAA tournament in the last ten years would more than pay for the increase in travel costs, let alone value added to a TV deal.

You and I both know far more goes into this than geography.

I'm very confident that WSU can join the A-10 if they wished. I'm not confident that the A-10 is worth joining if Saint Louis and Dayton leave, though.

[SDSUFan]

You would be 400 miles outside the geographic footprint.....but that isn't my point, I said beyond Wichita State the A-10 won't be clamoring to pick up other conference members. And WSU is a significantly better program than St. Louis....the last 2 years, not the 10 before that.

And South Dakota State would be 350 miles outside of the geographic footprint of the Valley, which is far more cash-strapped than the A-10. Thanks for pointing out why we shouldn't consider your program any farther.

As for your comment about Saint Louis, that's laughable, considering the last two years are two of Saint Louis' four 20+ win seasons in the last decade, and by FAR their best two years.

And no, WSU IS a significantly better program than Saint Louis. This year, last year, the year before, the last four years, the last ten years, the last 50 years. See, when I made that statement, it's because I know the facts behind it. You clearly don't know much about this conference and are going off of what you think you know based on name value. So let's take away names. Tell me which of these two programs is better over the last ten seasons:

Team A: 187-136 total record, 18.7-13.6 average record, 99.2 average RPI, 1-2 NCAA Record, 1-1 NIT Record, Attendance 7,700, 4 20+ win seasons
Team B: 225-113 total record, 22.5-11.3 average record, 70.3 average RPI, 6-2 NCAA Record, 7-4 NIT Record, Attendance 10,500, 7 20+ win seasons

I won't even compare the last four seasons, because there aren't more than a handful of elite programs that beat Wichita in those.

Care to reevaluate your opinion?

This is why I think it's laughable when people keep talking about Saint Louis and acting like Wichita is just an afterthought in realignment discussion. One of those two programs had a major statistical anomaly this year ... and it's Saint Louis. We are a better program. Market size is the only category that Saint Louis beat us in ... though granted it beats us by a lot. People keep sitting here talking about how Saint Louis is the one that should be driving all of this, as if either the A-10 or the Big Priest should be fighting over them. You can fight over their market, but they are a very average program.

*Edit: shocktheheart beat me to some of those numbers.

Relax big guy, your numbers show that WSU has definitely had a better run than Cincinati the last decade....still not going to bite on significantly as I believe they have to work their way thru a stronger conference, but your numbers have been solid.

Never stated that you would be an afterthought in the realignment process. My original statement said "beyond Wichita State"......meaning you would draw more interest than the rest of the members of the conference. Geography and lack of football will hurt the process.

As for the SDSU part, my recent posts have advocated Murray State, Belmont, ORU or Valpo not sure where you thought I was implying we were in the geographic footprint of the MVC, but it must have been in there somewhere.

[lurkingdog]

Some of you like your college baseball. Great. But if you go back and read the interviews and press releases from Elgin, he is clear that the choice will be made 100 percent on men's basketball.

[rlh04d]

Relax big guy, your numbers show that WSU has definitely had a better run than Cincinati the last decade....still not going to bite on significantly as I believe they have to work their way thru a stronger conference, but your numbers have been solid.

Incorrect again. Last ten years, A-10 has had an average conference RPI ranking of 8.4, with an average rating of .5253 ... the MVC has had an average conference RPI ranking of 7.9, with an average rating of .5323. By the numbers, the MVC has been a stronger conference than the A-10. The A-10's last great year was at the far end of that 10-year period ... they were the #3 conference in 2003-04. They plummeted to #15 the next season and have never been higher than #6 since.

http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket ... ng-by-conf

Never stated that you would be an afterthought in the realignment process.

Wasn't particularly referring to you. Although yes, your assumption that we couldn't possibly compare to the great Saint Louis factors into that.

[shocktheheart]

You would be 400 miles outside the geographic footprint.....but that isn't my point, I said beyond Wichita State the A-10 won't be clamoring to pick up other conference members. And WSU is a significantly better program than St. Louis....the last 2 years, not the 10 before that.

And South Dakota State would be 350 miles outside of the geographic footprint of the Valley, which is far more cash-strapped than the A-10. Thanks for pointing out why we shouldn't consider your program any farther.

As for your comment about Saint Louis, that's laughable, considering the last two years are two of Saint Louis' four 20+ win seasons in the last decade, and by FAR their best two years.

And no, WSU IS a significantly better program than Saint Louis. This year, last year, the year before, the last four years, the last ten years, the last 50 years. See, when I made that statement, it's because I know the facts behind it. You clearly don't know much about this conference and are going off of what you think you know based on name value. So let's take away names. Tell me which of these two programs is better over the last ten seasons:

Team A: 187-136 total record, 18.7-13.6 average record, 99.2 average RPI, 1-2 NCAA Record, 1-1 NIT Record, Attendance 7,700, 4 20+ win seasons
Team B: 225-113 total record, 22.5-11.3 average record, 70.3 average RPI, 6-2 NCAA Record, 7-4 NIT Record, Attendance 10,500, 7 20+ win seasons

I won't even compare the last four seasons, because there aren't more than a handful of elite programs that beat Wichita in those.

Care to reevaluate your opinion?

This is why I think it's laughable when people keep talking about Saint Louis and acting like Wichita is just an afterthought in realignment discussion. One of those two programs had a major statistical anomaly this year ... and it's Saint Louis. We are a better program. Market size is the only category that Saint Louis beat us in ... though granted it beats us by a lot. People keep sitting here talking about how Saint Louis is the one that should be driving all of this, as if either the A-10 or the Big Priest should be fighting over them. You can fight over their market, but they are a very average program.

*Edit: shocktheheart beat me to some of those numbers.

Relax big guy, your numbers show that WSU has definitely had a better run than Cincinati the last decade....still not going to bite on significantly as I believe they have to work their way thru a stronger conference, but your numbers have been solid.

Never stated that you would be an afterthought in the realignment process. My original statement said "beyond Wichita State"......meaning you would draw more interest than the rest of the members of the conference. Geography and lack of football will hurt the process.

As for the SDSU part, my recent posts have advocated Murray State, Belmont, ORU or Valpo not sure where you thought I was implying we were in the geographic footprint of the MVC, but it must have been in there somewhere.

Are we talking about Cincinnati or St. Louis?

[Western4Life]

Some of you like your college baseball. Great. But if you go back and read the interviews and press releases from Elgin, he is clear that the choice will be made 100 percent on men's basketball.

Indeed! With Belmont though I feel I am having my cake and eating it too. With a hot date named Nashville


With those 3 Strikes Belmont is in...

[lurkingdog]

Is Belmont even one of the schools getting a visit from Elgin?

[lurkingdog]

BTW, the St. Louis paper is reporting that a new member needs 7 of 9 votes. From that, I surmise (1) anyone wanting a Chicago school needs to ensure that votes aren't split between UIC and Loyola; and (2) the conference will proceed with 9 members next fall if members can't reach a consensus. Simple majority won't be enough to bring in a new school.

[Western4Life]

I don't know if Belmont is getting a visit or not. I just cheer for what favors my interests, not privy to anything special except for the ability to use common sense.

Hopefully there is news they are being visited, they seem like a great combo with Murray St. which still allows for another private to be brought in. Who that would be is anyone's guess. With UMKC getting a visit I just don't know how anything is decided anymore. Markets are relevant but then again I though we were talking MVC quality here.